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Kettlebell Strong Endurance Info?

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PatrickW

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I participated in some of the A+A protocols and would be interested in learning more about the results and strong endurance protocol. I understand that there are some seminars about it, but I am not a trainer or someone that would use the information for anyone other than myself. I can't justify the cost of the seminar, travel, lodging. Will this information be put into a book anytime soon? I would gladly purchase it and believe many others are in the same position as I am.
 
@PatrickW, great to hear that. As of now, I haven't heard anything about a book based on Plan Strong or Strong Endurance. I'm sure, if that's not right, @Nikki or someone else from HQ will let us all know.

There is _a_ workshop on Strong Endurance and, to the best of my knowledge, one has taken place and one more is currently scheduled. Because I was unable to attend the first one and have a schedule conflict with the next one, I'm really hoping there will be more because I want to attend.

People attend StrongFirst courses and certifications for many reasons, not just to teach - if there are other things you'd rather do with your money, of course, that's your choice, but I doubt you'd regret attending Strong Endurance and, of course, you can always work some vacation in around it.

JMO, YMMV.

-S-
 
I would like a consumer level book on the subject as well. I have found my quality of life with S&S shot up drastically when I stopped trying to squeeze in sets and focused on a minute or two of active recovery for a few minutes. Like I noticed that it felt much less stressful or exhausting and its getting me thinking that there is really something to this.

A $20 book like S&S and I will order it right now.
 
I can see why the seminar is a good option, at sessions like that you can learn a lot more than a book can ever really teach. I'm in the same boat with finances - other things certainly would need to come first before I thought about paying for this.

On the surface writing a protocol for a+a style work isn't too complex. I think @Anna C and @aciampa could add more; but doing reasonably long workouts of a+a ballistics (swing, snatch, jerk) with an additional locomotion element to your training (running, swimming, rucking) seems to be the keystone to it (as far as I can tell).

To do a+a work you essentially need to do relatively short sets (10seconds or so) with appropriate rest to recover (1minute or more dependant on your recovery time, weight used etc) for many rounds. For me this looks like 5 snatches with a 24-32kg kettlebell with 70seconds between sets, or 2 clean and jerks with 60 seconds rest. This is repeated for 20-60 rounds.

I think building a weekly template for everyone to use would prove quite hard as we all have different priorities for our strength and different tolerances for long slow cardio.

I get the desire to have a book about it, but I think a lot of the information needed to implement a training plan is here on the website, spread through articles and forum posts.
 
I get the desire to have a book about it, but I think a lot of the information needed to implement a training plan is here on the website, spread through articles and forum posts.
I did not attend the seminar, but think that the basic guidelines for building up strong endurance are already here on the forum. My suspicion is, that it is not a six week plan but more of multiple six months plan.
 
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@Harald Motz I totally agree. This is what Dan John refers to as a "park bench" training style, you do the work and pateintly let the results declare themselves, instead of pushing intensly for 6 or 12 weeks.

I think that creates a more flexible training program, if you miss a single session because life gets in the way it's not big deal. The next 6 months of sessions will accomodate.

I'm looking forward to getting back to some endurance work in a couple of months once my rehab has settled in nicely.
 
For what it's worth, here's a great article from Craig Marker:

Tune Up Your Conditioning: A Primer on ATP

It'll offer a bit of a place to start thinking on conditioning a different way. From there, we have a start. Without understanding these energy systems and the consequences of training them, a book won't do a ton of good.
 
Without understanding these energy systems and the consequences of training them, a book won't do a ton of good.


I figured that is what the book would be about. I want to really know what to avoid doing every bit as much as I want to know what I should be doing.
 
Um wow. This looks incredible! I wish I could attend, but fortunately, I have still learned a great deal from S&S and this forum about Strong Endurance.
 
I figured that is what the book would be about. I want to really know what to avoid doing every bit as much as I want to know what I should be doing.

Riley, I won't promise anything, but I am taking some personal time next month. If lightening strikes, I'll spit out the A+A book that's been in my head for a couple of years. Heck, if I look through all of my notes, it's probably mostly written already.

Again: No promises...
 
Riley, I won't promise anything, but I am taking some personal time next month. If lightening strikes, I'll spit out the A+A book that's been in my head for a couple of years. Heck, if I look through all of my notes, it's probably mostly written already.

Again: No promises...
That would be really cool Al....
 
+1 on the book. That would be awesome to have.

Two questions:
(1) Is Strong endurance the same as A+A?
(2) Has anybody used A+A with double clean and jerks? IS it an appropriate exercise choice? (This may be more a more appropriate question for a thread of its own)
 
That would be really cool Al....

Yes. And I just feel that it is unfinished work.

+1 on the book. That would be awesome to have.

Two questions:
(1) Is Strong endurance the same as A+A?
(2) Has anybody used A+A with double clean and jerks? IS it an appropriate exercise choice? (This may be more a more appropriate question for a thread of its own)

1. A+A is considered one of the many tactics within the Strong Endurance definition.
2. Yes; and yes.
 
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