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so, reading around various things in the carnivore community, I keep seeing references to how fiber is bad for you.

How to end the nightmare of colorectal disorders before they end you this website is probably the most organized information from that point of view (and often referenced in what I see).

Essentially the claim is fiber is bad, we eat too much of it, it leads to many of today’s digestive ailments.

Thoughts?
 
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Ah, science...

I have enjoyed many kind of diets; low fiber, keto, carnivore, high fiber, etc

When it comes to fiber, I think some kinds of it don't agree with my guts. Some do. I haven't yet got specific with it, but I notice some trends, for example beans are likely bad, rye is likely good. It is something I'm looking at.

If I had to reach conclusions at gunpoint I'd likely say I prefer the good fiber diet to the other ones. But I don't know how much of it I need. On the other hand, I think the bad fiber diet is the least preferable diet to me.
 
It's a tough call. Who do you believe? Some website on the internet, or your gastroenterologist or colo-rectal surgeon who has spent decades working on people.

It's an interesting dichotomy around here. When a person is seeking help for an issue our first line of approach is usually... 'seek professional medical advice'

Yet on the other hand we are also fond of bunking mainstream medical thought.
 
That's the first time I've ever heard ANYONE say "Eat less fiber." How did I miss that? Oh well. I don't believe it. Our guts were made to handle LOTS of fiber and I believe we are better off to get as close as we can to that.
 
@Antti thats probably the direction most go, just eat whatever agrees with you. I’m undecided on a LOT myself....

@offwidth exactly why I stick around here, lots of views that tend to be well-informed. I’d be inclined to listen to a veteran doctor in this field, however I’ve got a few family members with IBS which has no western cure at the moment, so they get the “there’s nothing that can be done” type of treatment.

Not having a pill, to me, sounds like the dietary equivalent of “your shoulder hurts? Just never use it again then.” Especially when I read several various (and often conflicting) dietary anecdotes online that claim to cure stuff.

@Anna C yes that’s the same reaction I got when I asked people in real life(y). Honestly who knows where this stuff even comes from
 
the hansenator said:
I ran across this article describing how fiber protects your DNA.
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So a 2000 calorie diet requires about 20g fiber daily according to this article. I believe that’s consistent with other numbers I’ve seen.

Of course, it is “just another” dietary study that relies solely on self-reported intake....
 
I confess to being a fibre junkie, consuming three tablespoons of psyllium husk daily. My digestive system seems to approve - the fibre seems to keep everything running smoothly. I definitely notice the difference when I don't take it
 
Steve Freides said:
I confess to not quite understanding what I remember my father doing, which is stir a spoonful of some sort of commercial fiber powder into a glass of water and drinking it. Somehow a salad seems a better idea.

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Probably neither is optimal tbh. I am speaking as someone who had very severe gut problems for years.

The key isn't fibre per se - it's prebiotics. whole food prebiotics will develop a microbiome in a way that other fibres will not (think physillium husk) and even better than refined prebiotics (inulin, pectin etc.).

The transition can be a little rough as most people have limited gut bacterial diversity due to eating SAD, but in my case it's been definitely worth it.

Consistency is also the key. any eco system molds to it's on going food supply...

PS - love the forum!
 
The problem is that though genetically very similar, we are all an experiment of 1 when it comes to environment. Well, how can you state that, Al? Well, if you believe the out of Africa theory, then you have your answer. We have populated and thrived all corners and up to a few miles up. Some of us probably do well with lots of various fibers, and don’t do well without them. Some of us probably do well with little fibers and don’t do well with them. The rest of us run the gamut in between. The responses you get on a forum will be biased to whatever makes that person feel best. My scientific mind will just not allow my thought process to be bottlenecked.

As a clinician, I’ve corrected Chron’s— to the disbelief of the medical staff—with carnivore. I’ve also corrected type 2 diabetes with a heavy plant-based diet. I’ve accomplished plenty in between as well. Admittedly, I’ve also failed patients on this front a hundred times over, for whatever the reasons. (I hate blaming patient compliance for anything.)

You have to be open to do what works for you, or who you are working with. And you have to be ready to change gears just in case reality shows you that was only a temporary fix. If mental health teaches us anything, it’s that it is mostly a crap shoot. What are we down to... a 2030 apocalypse due to climate change? There’s probably better things to attend to. Happy Sunday!!!
 
Robt800 said:
Probably neither is optimal tbh. I am speaking as someone who had very severe gut problems for years.

The key isn't fibre per se - it's prebiotics. whole food prebiotics will develop a microbiome in a way that other fibres will not (think physillium husk) and even better than refined prebiotics (inulin, pectin etc.).

The transition can be a little rough as most people have limited gut bacterial diversity due to eating SAD, but in my case it's been definitely worth it.

Consistency is also the key. any eco system molds to it's on going food supply...

PS - love the forum!
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Someone’s thinking outside the box.
 
Steve Freides said:
I confess to not quite understanding what I remember my father doing, which is stir a spoonful of some sort of commercial fiber powder into a glass of water and drinking it. Somehow a salad seems a better idea.

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Reminds me of a phase my brother in law went through. Drank a fiber supplement mixed in to prune juice. The one bathroom in the house regularly exploded. None of us knew why he was doing this as it just kinda started out of the blue....
 
Al Ciampa said:
You have to be open to do what works for you, or who you are working with.
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I agree, and time figures in here, too - sometimes what worked yesterday no longer works today.

If you asked me what my single biggest disappointment with getting older was, it would be that my body no longer likes having sweets. My taste buds have the memory of liking all manner of candies and cakes and puddings for a lifetime, but my digestive tract disagrees ever more as the years pass. I am not happy with this turn of events, although it's almost certainly good for me in the long run (a long run that, btw, I hope I'm just in the middle of at this writing).

-S-
 
Steve Freides said:
@Robt800, welcome to the StrongFirst forum.

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Thanks Steve - been a lurker for quite a while. This place along with Pavels books has totally changed my workouts (practices!) and I feel much better for it.

Al Ciampa said:
Someone’s thinking outside the box.
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I would love to take credit - but as usual - I borrowed much of my knowledge from individuals who understood it better and who had who had reversed their chronic gut issues. Pretty much like I've been doing here!
 
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