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A bit of a click bait title, but this could be a good discussion.

This popped up in my YouTube feed.

I had not heard of him before, but he made the finals of Worlds Strongest Man as a rookie.

Part about deadlifts starts at 0:35 and only runs about a minute.

In short, he says unless you are deadlifting for the sake of getting better at deadlifting, you shouldn’t deadlift because the risk isn’t worth the reward. No NFL or D1 football players deadlift, because they can’t afford to get injured in the gym. Instead, they do hang and power cleans.

I’ve heard the “we don’t program deadlifts because they injure people” from one other trainer - but he was a CrossFit escapee and not training high level athletes so I didn’t put much stock in it.

Clearly Strongfirst is pro-deadlift, but I’d be curious if some here agree with the sentiments described above. I admit that dumb (CF deadlifts for time) and/or poor form deadlifting have “thrown” my back out a few times. But I’ve also hurt my back at least once when I was paying strict attention to my form. I love deadlifts - but sometimes I feel I’m running close to the edge with them.
 
Unless you compete in powerlifting, you don't have to train neither bench nor deadlift. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't. It just means you really have no obligation to do it.

You definitely should train some form of hip hinge, but not necessarily pulling a barbell from the floor.

There's a reason you can recover from a squat max-attempt just fine, but not so fine from a deadlift max-attempt.

And it's fine to use pull variations as a main lift. Even Westside guys, who know a thing or two about powerlifting, seldom train competition lifts up until the point they are peaking.

Power cleans, Romanian deadlifts, stiff legged pulls, rack pulls from the knee, snatch grip pulls, KB swings, KB cleans... they're all fine.

As always, it all depends on your goals and personal preference.
 
I enjoy the deadlift and cycle it in and out of my workouts (haven't deadlifted in last 12 months) but because I have no need to "train" it I keep the volume and frequency low (approx 10 hard reps weekly).

I have injured myself on deadlifts but only when increasing volume and weight, usually in hot pursuit of a max.
 
Deadlift (and bench, and squat) - correctly, not necessarily heavy.

Let's not forget that our SFL curriculum was developed by Pavel and Doctor Michael Hartle, Certified Master StrongFirst instructor, who is not only accomplished powerlifter and athlete, but also a renowned physiotherapist.
 
He is also a competitive strong man. he's looking at the lift as a competitive movement and he lift more than 99% of the population. (I believe he's an 800-900lb deadlifted.) which is a whole different thing then people who want to work up to there 2x bodyweight pull. as far as the Clean being used by the NFL if I'm not mistaken that is because the movement gives there players the kind of strength/speed they want on the field, not because of a risk to reward ratio. that's my 2 cents.
 
In short, he says unless you are deadlifting for the sake of getting better at deadlifting, you shouldn’t deadlift because the risk isn’t worth the reward. No NFL or D1 football players deadlift, because they can’t afford to get injured in the gym. Instead, they do hang and power cleans.

Preface

Before getting into this, let me state that the Deadlift is my best Powerlift.

My best Competition Deadlifts in the various weight classes were:

1) 148 lbs Class: 420 lb Deadlift

2) 165 lb Class: 500 lbs Deadlift

3) 181 lb Class: 575 lbs Deadlift

4) 198 lb Class: 590 lb Deadlift

5) 220 lb Weight Class: 617 lbs Deadlift at a body weight of 208 lbs.

So, let's just say that the information I am about to present is based on not only research data but practical experience with myself and in working with others.

Limited Deadlift Training

The Deadlift is a very unforgiving lift.

1) As Louie Simmons said, "It take more than it give back".

2) As Dr Tom McLaughlin stated, "The lower back is quickly and easily overtrained with the Deadlift.

That is why the frequency of the Deadlift is limited comparative to Squat, Bench Press and other training exercises.

Inconsistent Competition Deadlift Meet Performance

While I had a good Deadlft, my meet performance was inconsistent. That because, like many, I overtrained my Deadlift, lower back. I came a logical conclusion...

If Something Isn't Working, Something Needs To Change Something

One program that I had tired that work for my Deadlift was Bill Starr's, "A Different Approach To Improving The Deadlift". Starr, an Olympic Lifter, end up pulling an American Deadlift Record with this program.

This program excluded the Deadlift from training, focusing on Heavy Good Mornings and Power Cleans.

I modified my Deadlift Training to revolve around Heavy Good Mornings and Power Cleans. In the course of a year, my Deadlift went from 540 lb to 590 lbs.

I then modified my No Deadlift Training and ended up taking my 590 lb Deadlift down to 550 lbs in a year.

It's similar to baking a cake. My modified Deadlift Training Program had the right ingredients but wrong amount. Think of it as adding two cup of oil to a cake rather than one cup, which I did once.

I finally tweaked the ingredients. The following year, my Deadlift went up to 606 lbs and then to 617 lbs at body weight of 208. I still hold the Deadlift Record in the 220 lb Class weight class for New Mexico that can be found online.

The article below, that was in "Powerlifing USA, documents my experience and the training information on it.

The No Deadlift, Deadlift Training Program

The No Deadlift Program to Improve Your Deadlift

One of my mistakes with this article was not documenting my progression. Initially, my I performed Heavy Partial Rack Deadlift combined with Power Cleans. Like many, I could not quite quit Deadlifting completely.

However, even Heavy Partial Rack Deadlifts were beating my lower back up. To solve the issue, I eventually substituted Heavy Partial Rack Good Morning.

I found Heavy Partial Good Morning increase my posterior chain strength and allowed my lower back to recover faster without overtraining it.

My successful pulls with 590 lbs at 198 and 606 and 617 lbs at 208 lbs were from performing no Deadlifts, just Heavy Particle Rack Good Morning and Power Cleans for 6 months before a meet with no Deaedlifts.

Secondly, if I could write the article again, I'd recommend....

Technique Deadlift Training

The issue for a Competitive Powerlifter's Deadlift is using the Deadlift as the training exercise. Yes, you gain strength. However, it come at a price.

During any exercise, when muscle fatigue set in, technique is altered. Also, the muscle firing sequence changes. In other word, you learn to perform the movement incorrectly.

The key to developing Deadlift Technique is training the Deadlift with single reps with loads of 85% of your 1 Repetition Max for sets when you are fresh. Once fatigue sets in, Stop.

Building Strength and Power In The Deadlift

The key is to use Auxiliary Strength Exercise that are similar in nature to the Deadlift: Good Mornings, Back/Hip Extensions. Stiff Leg (slight break in knees) Deadlift with a Barbell and/or Trap Bar, etc.

To increase Power, use Olympic Pulls such as: Power Cleans, Power Snatches, Dead Hang Power Cleans and Snatches, Hi Pull Cleans and Snatches, Dead Hang Cleans and Snatches, etc.

As a side note, a Kettlebell Swing is great Power Movement for Deadlift Training. I have replaced my Olympic Pulls with the Kettlebell Swing.

With that said, to develop Power for the Deadlift with the Kettlebell Swing, loads that are close to your body need to be used.

As an example, I weight 193 lbs. My Kettlebell Swing for Power on the top sets range from 130 lbs to 180 lbs. For loads of this nature, I use...

The Home Hungarian Core Blaster


This video show you how to make them. The cost is around $20.00 plus the cost of some Standard Weight Plates with a 1 inch diameter.

Phil Rivera

Phil was a local lifter that I knew. Phil increased his Deadlift by employing Heavy Partial Good Morning and Power Cleans.

Phil's modification to the program was to Deadlift every 4 weeks on the program. He did so to determine how he was doing and to keep a feel for the Deadlift.

My method of measuring my results was to show up at a Powerlifing Meet every 6 month and see what I could do.

Take Home Message

1) The Deadlift is a great training exercise providing the frequency is limited and allows for the lower back to recovery and it is a well written program.

2) For competitive Powerlifter, a more effective method is to employ the Deadlift only for Technique Training.

Utilize Auxiliary Exercise that are similar in nature to the Deadlift for increasing Strength and Auxiliary Exercises that are similar in nature to increase Power.

Kenny Croxdale
 
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Train the lift intelligently and don't chase loads you shouldn't, you'll be fine. Barbell work is, in my opinion, more inherently dangerous than other loaded work as it is very easy to put on more weight than you lift safely, and the bar normally starts from a stable, loaded position - you don't have to handle it prior to attempting the lift.

I do agree it isn't an essential lift (there is no such animal), but some form of loaded hinge work is an important part of a well rounded strength program.
 
He is also a competitive strong man. he's looking at the lift as a competitive movement and he lift more than 99% of the population. (I believe he's an 800-900lb deadlifted.) which is a whole different thing then people who want to work up to there 2x bodyweight pull.

Yes

As I note in my previous post and several other that that have appeared on StrongFirst, no competitive lift should be used as a training exercise. Technique is altered.

No

Pulling two times body weight is a bit like having you own Deadlift Competition Meet. To ensure you are able to pull you highest Deadlift, the protocol for competitive lifter is more effective; outlined in my previous post and other on this site.

as far as the Clean being used by the NFL if I'm not mistaken that is because the movement gives there players the kind of strength/speed they want on the field

Olympic Movements For Power

Olympic movement develop and increase Power Output. Olympic Pull produce of of, if not, the highest Power Outputs in sports.

During Entire Snatch or Clean Pull Movements:
34.3 w/kg Men
21.8 w/kg Women

Second Pulls:
52.6 w/kg Men
39.2 w/kg Women

Squat and Deadlift:
12 w/kg Men
Source: The No Deadlift Program to Improve Your Deadlift

Increasing Power for something like the Deadlift is vital for a 1 Repetition Max. Power is essentially the grease that allows you to slide through your sticking point.

As a Conventional Deadlift, my sticking point like most, is in the knee area.

Dead Hang Olympic Pulls allowed me to move my sticking point from just below my knee caps to a couple of inches above my knees, which increased my Deadlift.

I've never missed any Deadlift that once I pulled it just above my knees.

Kenny Croxdale
 
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Preface

Before getting into this, let me state that the Deadlift is my best Powerlift.

My best Competition Deadlifts in the various weight classes were:

1) 148 lbs Class: 420 lb Deadlift

2) 165 lb Class: 500 lbs Deadlift

3) 181 lb Class: 575 lbs Deadlift

4) 198 lb Class: 590 lb Deadlift

5) 220 lb Weight Class: 617 lbs Deadlift at a body weight of 208 lbs.

So, let just say that the information I am about to present is based on not only research data but practical experience with myself and in working with others.

Limited Deadlift Training

The Deadlift is a very unforgiving lift.

1) As Louie Simmons said, "It take more than it give back".

2) As Dr Tom McLaughlin stated, "The lower back is quickly and easily overtrained with the Deadlift.

That is why the frequency of the Deadlift is limited comparative to Squat, Bench Press and other training exercises.

Inconsistent Competition Deadlift Meet Performance

While I had a good Deadlft, my meet performance was inconsistent. That because, like many, I overtrained my Deadlift, lower back. I came a logical conclusion...

If Something Isn't Working, Something Needs To Change Something

One program that I had tired that work for my Deadlift was Bill Starr's, "A Different Approach To Improving The Deadlift". Starr, an Olympic Lifter, end up pulling an American Deadlift Record with this program.

This program excluded the Deadlift from training, focusing on Heavy Good Mornings and Power Cleans.

I modified my Deadlift Training to revolve around Heavy Good Mornings and Power Cleans. In the course of a year, my Deadlift went from 540 lb to 590 lbs.

I then modified my No Deadlift Training and ended up taking my 590 lb Deadlift down to 550 lbs in a year.

It's similar to baking a cake. My modified Deadlift Training Program had the right ingredients but wrong amount. Think of it as adding two cup of oil to a cake rather than one cup, which I did once.

I finally tweaked the ingredients. The following year, my Deadlift went up to 606 lbs and then to 617 lbs at body weight of 208. I still hold the Deadlift Record in the 220 lb Class weight class for New Mexico that can be found online.

The article below, that was in "Powerlifing USA, documents my experience and the training information on it.

The No Deadlift, Deadlift Training Program

The No Deadlift Program to Improve Your Deadlift

One of my mistakes with this article was not documenting my progression. Initially, my I performed Heavy Partial Rack Deadlift combined with Power Cleans. Like many, I could not quite quit Deadlifting completely.

However, even Heavy Partial Rack Deadlifts were beating my lower back up. To solve the issue, I eventually substituted Heavy Partial Rack Good Morning.

I found Heavy Partial Good Morning increase my posterior chain strength and allowed my lower back to recover faster without overtraining it.

My successful pulls with 590 lbs at 198 and 606 and 617 lbs at 208 lbs were from performing no Deadlifts, just Heavy Particle Rack Good Morning and Power Cleans for 6 months before a meet with no Deaedlifts.

Secondly, if I could write the article again, I'd recommend....

Technique Deadlift Training

The issue for a Competitive Powerlifter's Deadlift is using the Deadlift as the training exercise. Yes, you gain strength. However, it come at a price.

During any exercise, when muscle fatigue set in, technique is altered. Also, the muscle firing sequence changes. In other word, you learn to perform the movement incorrectly.

The key to developing Deadlift Technique is training the Deadlift with single reps with loads of 85% of your 1 Repetition Max for sets when you are fresh. Once fatigue sets in, Stop.

Building Strength and Power In The Deadlift

The key is to use Auxiliary Strength Exercise that are similar in nature to the Deadlift: Good Mornings, Back/Hip Extensions. Stiff Leg (slight break in knees) Deadlift with a Barbell and/or Trap Bar, etc.

To increase Power, use Olympic Pulls such as: Power Cleans, Power Snatches, Dead Hang Power Cleans and Snatches, Hi Pull Cleans and Snatches, Dead Hang Cleans and Snatches, etc.

As a side note, a Kettlebell Swing is great Power Movement for Deadlift Training. I have replaced my Olympic Pulls with the Kettlebell Swing.

With that said, to develop Power for the Deadlift with the Kettlebell Swing, loads that are close to your body need to be used.

As an example, I weight 193 lbs. My Kettlebell Swing for Power on the top sets range from 130 lbs to 180 lbs. For loads of this nature, I use...

The Home Hungarian Core Blaster


This video show you how to make them. The cost is around $20.00 plus the cost of some Standard Weight Plates with a 1 inch diameter.

Phil Rivera

Phil was a local lifter that I knew. Phil increased his Deadlift by employing Heavy Partial Good Morning and Power Cleans.

Phil's modification to the program was to Deadlift every 4 weeks on the program. He did so to determine how he was doing and to keep a feel for the Deadlift.

My method of measuring my results was to show up at a Powerlifing Meet every 6 month and see what I could do.

Take Home Message

1) The Deadlift is a great training exercise providing the frequency is limited and allows for the lower back to recovery and it is a well written program.

2) For competitive Powerlifter, a more effective method is to employ the Deadlift only for Technique Training.

Utilize Auxiliary Exercise that are similar in nature to the Deadlift for increasing Strength and Auxiliary Exercises that are similar in nature to increase Power.

Kenny Croxdale


Can you go into more depth on the good morning?

What's heavy? Relatively? Absolutely?

Do you use a belt? Rack? Pins? Safety straps?

What's a good ROM? How much is too much, too little? How about stance width?

I also see different people, both of who I would see as successful, do different kinds of good mornings. Some look more like partial squats. Some have barely any knee bend. Some arch the whole back, some round the upper back, some round the whole back. Which style did you find the best for your deadlift?

Do you think there's a difference to doing the good morning whether one competes with a sumo deadlift or a conventional deadlift?
 
Clearly Strongfirst is pro-deadlift, but I’d be curious if some here agree with the sentiments described above [not to deadlift].
Of course, some here agree with that, and some don't. The devil is in the details, in _how_ you deadlift.

-S-
 
Can you go into more depth on the good morning?

What's heavy? Relatively? Absolutely?

Do you use a belt? Rack? Pins? Safety straps?

What's a good ROM? How much is too much, too little? How about stance width?

Conventional Deadlifters

Like most Conventional Deadlifters, I am strong off the floor to the knee area. I blow the weight off the floor.

My focus is to increasing Strength is in the knee area; it the same with Power.

My Good Morning Training

My Good Morning Training positions the bar in the rack so that it simulates a Deadlift Rack pull from the knee area.

From that Partial Good Morning Rack position, I have worked up to 540 lbs X 2 Repetitions.

Power Good Morning

In conjunction with Heavy Kettlebell Swings, I perform a form of...

Plyometric Power Good Mornings

1) Car Towing Straps are attached to the top of the Rack and the Bar. The length of the Car Strap is adjusted, dependent on how low I want to work the Good Morning.

2) Band and/or Chains are attached to the bar. Safety pins are in place, should the Car Towing Strap break.

To perform Plyometric Power Good Morning, I allow the bar to drop like a rock to the Car Straps. There is a slight recoil of the bar coming off the Car Towing Straps.

I then drive the weight back up. The intent needs to be in jumping up with the weight, which isn't going to occur with the Accommodation Bands and Chain Resistance, as I ascend.

Bar Load

Here my heaviest Plyometric Good Morning Bar Loading Number...

1) 235 lb Bar Load

2) 20 lb of Chain Weight

3) 25 lbs of Band Resistance Loading

Thus, when I lockout at the top of my Plyometric Power Good Morning the Total Bar load is 280 lbs (235 + 20 lbs of Chain + 25 lbs of Band Resistance).

The Plyometric Power Good Morning needs to be a Moderate Load that allow for the bar to move fairly quickly in the Concentric Part of the movement.

If the load it too heavy, it turn the movement into a Limit Strength Movement; it is no longer a Power Movement.

Plyometric Deadlifts

This means bouncing the weight off the floor when you are Deadlifting. This method is effective for...

Increasing Power in the knee area. The bounce generates momentum allowing you to increase the loading in the knee area to a greater degree.

In other words, you going to use more weight in the knee area than you would that if you started the Deadlift from a Dead Stop. Think "Over Speed Training".

1) This method should not be used by Novice Lifters. They need to perform and learn the movement from a Dead Stop.

2) For someone who wants to try Plyometric Deadlifts, the movement need to be eased into.

Stance

I use and recommend a variety of Stances. Changing the Stance essentially turns it into a different exercise.

Research and anecdotal data have demonstrated that to increase strength or size, exercises need to be varied. Changing your Stance make it a different exercise.

Think of it like Ice Cream. Chocolate and Vanilla Ice Cream are still Ice Cream but they are different flavors.

With that said, I use and recommend changing the bar placement, from High Bar to Low Bar makes it a different exercise.

Back Rounding

1) Some Upper Back Rounding is okay. It works/strengthens the Upper Thoracic Back.

2) Lower Back Rounding is contraindicated that need to be avoided!

A good general rule is as someone said, "If it hurts don't do it." Good pain is okay. Bad pain isn't.

Do you think there's a difference to doing the good morning whether one competes with a sumo deadlift or a conventional deadlift?

Sumo Vs Conventional Deadlift

These are two completely two different animals, as you know.

Good Morning will help a Sumo Deadlifter to some degree.

However, their weak point, as you know, is breaking the weight off the floor.

A different training approach needs to be taken to address a Sumo Deadlifter's Sticking Point Training; another topic for another time.

Kenny Croxdale
 
Conventional Deadlifters

Like most Conventional Deadlifters, I am strong off the floor to the knee area. I blow the weight off the floor.

My focus is to increasing Strength is in the knee area; it the same with Power.

My Good Morning Training

My Good Morning Training positions the bar in the rack so that it simulates a Deadlift Rack pull from the knee area.

From that Partial Good Morning Rack position, I have worked up to 540 lbs X 2 Repetitions.

Power Good Morning

In conjunction with Heavy Kettlebell Swings, I perform a form of...

Plyometric Power Good Mornings

1) Car Towing Straps are attached to the top of the Rack and the Bar. The length of the Car Strap is adjusted, dependent on how low I want to work the Good Morning.

2) Band and/or Chains are attached to the bar. Safety pins are in place, should the Car Towing Strap break.

To perform Plyometric Power Good Morning, I allow the bar to drop like a rock to the Car Straps. There is a slight recoil of the bar coming off the Car Towing Straps.

I then drive the weight back up. The intent needs to be in jumping up with the weight, which isn't going to occur with the Accommodation Bands and Chain Resistance, as I ascend.

Bar Load

Here my heaviest Plyometric Good Morning Bar Loading Number...

1) 235 lb Bar Load

2) 20 lb of Chain Weight

3) 25 lbs of Band Resistance Loading

Thus, when I lockout at the top of my Plyometric Power Good Morning the Total Bar load is 280 lbs (235 + 20 lbs of Chain + 25 lbs of Band Resistance).

The Plyometric Power Good Morning needs to be a Moderate Load that allow for the bar to move fairly quickly in the Concentric Part of the movement.

If the load it too heavy, it turn the movement into a Limit Strength Movement; it is no longer a Power Movement.

Plyometric Deadlifts

This means bouncing the weight off the floor when you are Deadlifting. This method is effective for...

Increasing Power in the knee area. The bounce generates momentum allowing you to increase the loading in the knee area to a greater degree.

In other words, you going to use more weight in the knee area than you would that if you started the Deadlift from a Dead Stop. Think "Over Speed Training".

1) This method should not be used by Novice Lifters. They need to perform and learn the movement from a Dead Stop.

2) For someone who wants to try Plyometric Deadlifts, the movement need to be eased into.

Stance

I use and recommend a variety of Stances. Changing the Stance essentially turns it into a different exercise.

Research and anecdotal data have demonstrated that to increase strength or size, exercises need to be varied. Changing your Stance make it a different exercise.

Think of it like Ice Cream. Chocolate and Vanilla Ice Cream are still Ice Cream but they are different flavors.

With that said, I use and recommend changing the bar placement, from High Bar to Low Bar makes it a different exercise.

Back Rounding

1) Some Upper Back Rounding is okay. It works/strengthens the Upper Thoracic Back.

2) Lower Back Rounding is contraindicated that need to be avoided!

A good general rule is as someone said, "If it hurts don't do it." Good pain is okay. Bad pain isn't.



Sumo Vs Conventional Deadlift

These are two completely two different animals, as you know.

Good Morning will help a Sumo Deadlifter to some degree.

However, their weak point, as you know, is breaking the weight off the floor.

A different training approach needs to be taken to address a Sumo Deadlifter's Sticking Point Training; another topic for another time.

Kenny Croxdale

Thanks.

So you imitate the position you are in at your sticking point? Is this the sticking point when the barbell stops, or a bit before it, before the momentum carries you tiny bit forward? In any case, that sounds like a good position. Very specific. Not a lot of range of motion, yes? I had originally thought about doing the whole deadlift ROM. My conventional sticking point is alike to yours. Maybe I should try this way as well.

The plyometric good mornings sound interesting but I'm afraid they're at the moment beyond my means.

How exactly would you differentiate the plyometric deadlifts from the typical touch and go deadlifts? I have always done my deadlifts from a dead stop, and I have wondered if changing to touch and go would allow me to spend my recovery in a more efficient manner.

I personally prefer to use the safety squat bar with the good mornings. The typical bar positioning is quite high that way. I have suffered from some shoulder issues with good mornings with a regular bar in the past.

Speaking of another topics, it would be interesting to have a similar discussion about the squat and the good morning.
 
@Antti

For sumo deadlifting, since the torso is a bit more upright and legs wider, in the past I've found Anderson squats off pins and box squats to be fine lifts to increase drive off floor.

Those sound like solid exercises for the job. I'm not sure if I could fit in the rack with the sumo stance, though. But yes, I imagine having the stance specific would be of importance.
 
Great topic.

It appears to me that the deadlift can either be a goal (as described by @kennycro@@aol.com ) or a mean for other training goals. I believe SF is more of the second kind. The example in Easy Strength of the deadlift program by Allison Felix is another example of the second.

What would you say are the difference in both methods?
 
I personally prefer to use the safety squat bar with the good mornings. The typical bar positioning is quite high that way. I have suffered from some shoulder issues with good mornings with a regular bar in the past.

Speaking of another topics, it would be interesting to have a similar discussion about the squat and the good morning.

Doing Good Mornings with sandbags instead of bar, I find once the load gets even remotely heavy I have to lower it to between my shoulder blades or it unbalances me. At the vert least I have to bend my knees more, loading the erectors more than the hamstrings or glutes.

I do these with a quick concentric and slower eccentric 1:3. Have also taken to eliminating the last few degrees of travel to keep from totally deloading at the top of the ROM.

Using these as my "heavy" hinge movement in place of heavy swings, SLDL etc.

I feel the same about the squat, the specifics aren't really important for overall fitness or strength training, but some variation should be part of the program.
 
Great topic.

It appears to me that the deadlift can either be a goal (as described by @kennycro@@aol.com ) or a mean for other training goals. I believe SF is more of the second kind. The example in Easy Strength of the deadlift program by Allison Felix is another example of the second.

What would you say are the difference in both methods?
A good point, @Oscar. Our principles remain the same, but the application of those principles will differ depending on the kinds of things you're talking about. And while we do have excellent programming at StrongFirst, I would say our principles are the most important thing we teach.

The differences would largely come down to programming, not technique.

-S-
 
The context of Robert Oberst’s comment was about elite athletes, not average individuals.
 
So you imitate the position you are in at your sticking point? Is this the sticking point when the barbell stops, or a bit before it, before the momentum carries you tiny bit forward? In any case, that sounds like a good position. Very specific. Not a lot of range of motion, yes? I had originally thought about doing the whole deadlift ROM. My conventional sticking point is alike to yours. Maybe I should try this way as wel

Sticking Point

The Sticking Point amount to a car running out of gas. Where the car stop isn't where it ran out of gas.

The same is true with the Sticking Point on a lift. Where you stop isn't where you ran out of gas. As you stated, it is"...before the momentum caries you a tiny bit forward"; great point.

With that in mind, working a lift from just below were it stops, were it stops and right above where it stop helps.

Technique Training

This is when and where you need to perform the full range of motion in the Deadlift.

How exactly would you differentiate the plyometric deadlifts from the typical touch and go deadlifts?

Plyometric Deadlift

The Touch and Go Deadlift elicits a mild stretch reflex. It fall into the Plyometric category.

Deadlift: To Stop or To Go | StrongFirst

Dr Michael Hartle's article touched on it.

My Plyometric Deadlift type training was much more aggressive. I let the bar free fall under some guidance to the floor which produce a higher bounce off the floor.

The plyometric good mornings sound interesting...

Plyometric Good Morings

This is one of my favorite posterior chain hip drive exercises.

Kenny Croxdale
 
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