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Kettlebell Adding press to Simple and Sinister

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Matthieu said:
Hello,
I will give my little experience...
I practice s&s since 2016, have very good progress but not a good carryover to the press : I'm currently working with 40 and 48 kg for the get-up, and my military press PR is 1 rep with 32kg. The first time I did a 48 kg get-up, I wasn't able to do a 32 kg press. For me, the daily dose press is very easy, very effective (daily dose press) with zero negative effect on S&S. I progress slowly (it's slower than a press plan) but I progress !
I do my DDP the morning (after my morning mobility routine) or just after my &s& session.
I practice s&s three times per week and the daily dose press five days per week.
I'm always looking for strategies allowing to progress in s&s and the press...
Matthieu
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Yes, this all makes a lot of sense to me. I have always done presses alongside S&S. Presses are not time consuming and pretty much the best/only real heavy "grind" move we can do with the kettlebell. It's just common sense in my books to press the kettlebells one owns no matter what other programme one is running.
 
I got a bit excited about starting to press on the side of S&S as well. :)
I have been doing S&S for over 2 years. For past 8 weeks I have moved to 36kg from 32kg.
I have trained 4 times a week for the whole transition and haven`t needed light days. (monday, tuesday, thursday, friday)

Currently I can press 24kg 1-2 times on each side. I think 28kg is at least very close... So I`m thinking soju & tuba with 24kg seems just perfect.

But as I just moved up in S&S weight, I wonder if it would be best to spend some time with just 36kg S&S until adding press?
Or if I drop down S&S frequency from 4 to 3 times a week, should that make enough room to do S&T 3 times a week on a side?
 
Nacho said:
I got a bit excited about starting to press on the side of S&S as well. :)
I have been doing S&S for over 2 years. For past 8 weeks I have moved to 36kg from 32kg.
I have trained 4 times a week for the whole transition and haven`t needed light days. (monday, tuesday, thursday, friday)

Currently I can press 24kg 1-2 times on each side. I think 28kg is at least very close... So I`m thinking soju & tuba with 24kg seems just perfect.

But as I just moved up in S&S weight, I wonder if it would be best to spend some time with just 36kg S&S until adding press?
Or if I drop down S&S frequency from 4 to 3 times a week, should that make enough room to do S&T 3 times a week on a side?
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The recommended weight for S and T would be a 2-3TRM :)
 
pet' said:
What @Oscar said really makes me think about an Aleks Salkin's article.

Once, he made a client running S&S, and supplementing it only with OA push ups, using GTG. Shortly after, the client got his 1/2 bdw ovh press.
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Do you have link to that article? Thanks.
 
S&S is designed to be done in conjunction with other programs. So you can definitely add presses in abs you've had a ton of suggestions on how to incorporate presses into your program thus far.
 
Hello,

NormanOsborn said:
What is the recommended starting weight for RoP?
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As @Mark Limbaga said, a weight you can press for 7-8 reps. Obviously, he is far more knowledgeable than me, but I would also consider the recovery topic, by running simultaneously RoP and S&S.

Indeed, at the beginning, RoP can be paired with something else because we have enough time to recover. However, after some point, it becomes more of a stand alone program, because it will lead to a peak. You will need more time to recover from the medium / heavy days, so it can make the S&S sessions harder. In this case, keeping the TGU with very light weight to get some mobility or active recovery may be an interesting option.

RoP is fairly demanding by the end. I think this is mainly due to the L/M/H days. The last week, 155 presses are performed. However, there is another program, called Red Zone, which has 150 presses a week, but 3x a week. So this is evenly split. I tried it, simultaneously with Timeless Simple, on alternate days. It works perfectly. Of course, it can be a lot if one has other physically demanding activities, but if not, this is a nice pair.

Below is the thread regarding this protocol:

Kettlebell - The Red Zone (Pavel, T. Program)

Some 15 years ago Pavel was interviewed in the Iron Man Magazine. When asked to give a suggestion for a minimalist program he answered; Presses and Swings in a following fashion. Here's the routine: 5×5 presses per arm, 5×10 swings per arm, wrap up with another 5×5 presses. It's up to you...
www.strongfirst.com

Kind regards,

Pet'
 
pet' said:
Hello,


As @Mark Limbaga said, a weight you can press for 7-8 reps. Obviously, he is far more knowledgeable than me, but I would also consider the recovery topic, by running simultaneously RoP and S&S.

Indeed, at the beginning, RoP can be paired with something else because we have enough time to recover. However, after some point, it becomes more of a stand alone program, because it will lead to a peak. You will need more time to recover from the medium / heavy days, so it can make the S&S sessions harder. In this case, keeping the TGU with very light weight to get some mobility or active recovery may be an interesting option.

RoP is fairly demanding by the end. I think this is mainly due to the L/M/H days. The last week, 155 presses are performed. However, there is another program, called Red Zone, which has 150 presses a week, but 3x a week. So this is evenly split. I tried it, simultaneously with Timeless Simple, on alternate days. It works perfectly. Of course, it can be a lot if one has other physically demanding activities, but if not, this is a nice pair.

Below is the thread regarding this protocol:

Kettlebell - The Red Zone (Pavel, T. Program)

Some 15 years ago Pavel was interviewed in the Iron Man Magazine. When asked to give a suggestion for a minimalist program he answered; Presses and Swings in a following fashion. Here's the routine: 5×5 presses per arm, 5×10 swings per arm, wrap up with another 5×5 presses. It's up to you...
www.strongfirst.com

Kind regards,

Pet'
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Unfortunately, I suspect 150 reps of pressing every week - even with a deload on the fourth - would be too much for my joints to handle. I'd like to do S&T, but the bell's I have are either too light(16)or too heavy(24) ☹️
 
pet' said:
Hello,

@NormanOsborn
If lower dose of pressing are better, there are solutions as well (fortunately !)

You can apply the S&T progression to pike presses and also pike presses with deficit.
There is also this article, but you can use it only for the rep / set frame: The Anytime, Anywhere Bodyweight-Only Strength Program | StrongFirst

I hope it can help you a little bit.

Kind regards,

Pet'
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What about using the S&T progression with Push-Press instead of Military Press?
 
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NormanOsborn said:
Unfortunately, I suspect 150 reps of pressing every week - even with a deload on the fourth - would be too much for my joints to handle. I'd like to do S&T, but the bell's I have are either too light(16)or too heavy(24) ☹️
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What about 5×5 ran 2/3 times a week?

So for your working sets on the top end you'll be doing 75 total reps. Which is literally half that.
 
NormanOsborn said:
Unfortunately, I suspect 150 reps of pressing every week - even with a deload on the fourth - would be too much for my joints to handle. I'd like to do S&T, but the bell's I have are either too light(16)or too heavy(24) ☹️
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I would think, for S&T it works perfectly fine to make a 20kg bell by using dumbell plates... ?
 
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