Pete L
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I'm approaching the end of Plan 2A and also completed Plan A and B last year and I've only used nasal breathing.
Sometimes this has had to be the emergency version described in the accompanying videos.
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Sometimes this has had to be the emergency version described in the accompanying videos.
Tirofijo
Level 6 Valued Member
Good find. Thanks for posting. For those not familiar, Seiler is the 80/20 "polarized training" guru among cyclists. Unlike Maffetone, polarized training does 20% of training at higher intensity. Maffetone is avoids the high intensity until shortly before competition. (Also, Maffetone uses the 180-age with a few modifications to set the target heart rate, while polarized training athletes perform a test to arrive at the target heart zone. )
Erik W
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Thanks for your feedback, folks. I'm working through Plan A. Last night, I tried my session with nose breathing between sets. I didn't set out to do that. I just got into a rhythm that felt natural.
I ended up with about the same number of sets as I had been getting in the prior couple of sessions with the talk test. It generally felt fine. I'd say that it felt like a similar level of effort, too.
"Breathing is a truth-teller." I liked that quote from the video. Thanks for sharing that; it's interesting how that study he had done didn't show much correlation between nose-breathing and governing exertion beyond the lactic threshold.
I usually train in my living room, so talking to myself between sets sometimes feels a bit silly with my family nearby. Oh well; functionally, I'm happy with the talk test. I've no real reason to avoid it.
I think I'm still trying to find that sweet spot of exertion, though. Sometimes, I wonder if I'm "faking" the talk test and going too hard, or, conversely, if I'm taking it too easy. Either way, I'm enjoying this program.
Thanks for discussing!
I ended up with about the same number of sets as I had been getting in the prior couple of sessions with the talk test. It generally felt fine. I'd say that it felt like a similar level of effort, too.
"Breathing is a truth-teller." I liked that quote from the video. Thanks for sharing that; it's interesting how that study he had done didn't show much correlation between nose-breathing and governing exertion beyond the lactic threshold.
I usually train in my living room, so talking to myself between sets sometimes feels a bit silly with my family nearby. Oh well; functionally, I'm happy with the talk test. I've no real reason to avoid it.
I think I'm still trying to find that sweet spot of exertion, though. Sometimes, I wonder if I'm "faking" the talk test and going too hard, or, conversely, if I'm taking it too easy. Either way, I'm enjoying this program.
Thanks for discussing!
LarryB
Level 7 Valued Member
I’m doing the swing and get up protocol, but i find that power production is a better stop sign for me than breathing. Maybe it’s even a combo, the more i do it the more in tune i get. I say be conservative in your self assessment and stop early rather than late. I was a bit discouraged at being stuck at 9 minutes OT30 for two weeks (going off power production mostly) and then this week i had a big jump to 13 minutes. Just be patient.
Kev
Level 6 Valued Member
I wasn’t sure if it was snude or snood. I purchased a couple during covid but they are also handy as bandanas. I started reading the book “Breathe” and I wasn’t up for putting a strip of gaffer tape on my lips. I am endowed with horrific bad luck and I’m not even exaggerating and envisioned the tape coming off and me choking so I use the snood. It’s very comfortable and holds the mouth shut as you sleep.
Snood scarf - that seems to be the way to Google it.
That's interesting.
I can't mouth tape, or rather I should say my wife would kill me if I did - my understanding from doctors is that I have pretty bad deviated septum and also narrow nasal passages; my understanding from my wife, after the exactly one time I tried mouth taping, was that I snored very loudly, emphasis on "very." I just do my best to breathe nasally as much as I can, short of having surgery on my nose which, although it's been recommended and I've contemplated it, I haven't done.
FWIW, the mouth taping recommendation I received was to use a vertical strip, this to allow one to breathe around the sides of it if necessary, and also to use a porous kind of medical tape.
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Erik W
Level 6 Valued Member
Question for y'all on testing your LCCJ RM between Plans A and B. When you're ready to change programs, do you perform your tests, rest a bit, and then do the next training session the same day? Or, do you replace one of your training sessions with the test and start the subsequent plan on the following training day?
Pete L
Level 6 Valued Member
Neither
I used my long cycle bell from Plan A.Rereading the pdf I'm not sure now.
Last year I did Plan A and Plan B with the 28 kg and it worked well.
Erik W
Level 6 Valued Member
Right on. I remember your bar graph from (presumably) this run. Please remind me: did you retest after Plan B, or did you move along to another program?Neither
Rereading the pdf I'm not sure now.
Last year I did Plan A and Plan B with the 28 kg and it worked well.
My edition of the PDF recommends retesting between A and B, and vice-versa, but I can see a rationale for only testing after each cycle of the two plans.
Knowing me, I'll probably do the test, then rest a while and do the following session later in the same day. As with so many things in life, I'm probably over-thinking it.
Pete L
Level 6 Valued Member
After Plan B I ran Victorious I.
I'm currently approaching the end of Plan 2A with 28 + 24 kg, which I've enjoyed.
I've just re-reread the plan and you are correct, it does say to test your RM before Plan B.
I went from 28 to 32 kg over the two plans, I wonder how I would have gotten on if I'd tested in between.
I'm training at home with limited bells so the next step after 2A is either 24+32 or 28+32. I don't fancy an 8 kilo difference so will test a max reps with the current bells and then try 28+32 after 2B.
Thanks for pointing out my error...!
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What length of blocks would be recommended to alternate this with s&s? Eight weeks or four?
Pete L
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I'm currently running it until reach the target or plateau.
For Plan A and 2A that was the limit and it took 8 and 11 weeks respectively.
For Plan B it was the limit and it took 5 weeks.
Due to the escalating density the last weeks are contrasting to the initial weeks. In this way it feels like blocks of different objectives blurring into one long block.
Coyote
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I keep seeing Plan A or Plan B, but I do not remember there being more then one plan in the article referred to?
Those Plans are from the SF BJJ product.
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