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I have recently gotten to 20 sets of 10 kb swings with 72lbs. This is the heaviest I have access to. I am planning to maintain my swings and keep perfect form by doing 10x10 and TGU’s like S&S (I have achieved (m)simple, @120lbs body weight)

I am considering doing snatches, but not snatches for conditioning . I have read many old-time strongman books and they did heavy snatches with kb,db, and bb.

Would doing heavy kb snatches with low reps be a good idea for strength?

Is there any programs for heavy kb snatches?
 
Would doing heavy kb snatches with low reps be a good idea for strength?
It depends on what you mean by strength, but IMO not really. The weight with a KB just isn't that heavy, so the KB snatch is an exercise with a moderate load and moderate velocity (compared to say a heavy deadlift on the heavy/slow end or throwing a baseball on the light/fast end).

Not that KB snatches don't take or build strength, it's just not the quality they're best suited for. Snatches are great for repeated or continuous power endurance.

Here's Ivan Denisov doing 201 continuous snatches with 32kg with just his right hand. Sure, it's not hardstyle, but he still has to generate the power to launch the bell to lockout. The remarkable thing is not the power of a single effort, but the ability to repeat it.



A+A is a good and very scalable way to get into hardstyle snatch training. Keep reps per set to 5 or fewer. Make each set as powerful as possible. Rest generously between sets. Groove your form with a lighter bell, but eventually use the heaviest bell you can snatch with authority. Work up to 20 sets and then gradually up to 60 or more (although that is a rare effort me), but keep the volume wavy from session to session.
 
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A+A is a good and very scalable way to get into hardstyle snatch training. Keep reps per set to 5 or fewer. Make each set as powerful as possible. Rest generously between sets. Groove your form with a lighter bell, but eventually use the heaviest bell you can snatch with authority. Work up to 20 sets and then gradually up to 60 or more (although that is a rare effort me), but keep the volume wavy from session to session.
I'd second this. Typically I snatch 4 or 5 reps EMOM for anywhere from 18 to 48 sets. When I feel ready to experiment with a heavier bell, I'll start doing 3 reps EMOM for same amount of sets. If the backswing into the snatch is not super solid, I'll do a swing first, then 1, 2, or 3 snatch reps after the swing. Keep yourself fresh, Always be explosive. Your hands usually let you know when it's time to stop.
 
I share the opinions already stated.
Barbells are the obvious choice for limit strength work. If that isn't an option, for whatever reason, look into double bell programs.
If you only see yourself with a single 32 for the near future, snatch is probably better than higher rep swings.
 
I've seen a few dudes snatching 48 or 60KG bells, and that's definitely a long term goal for me. So why the hell not? I think if you can snatch anything over a 48 for a few reps, you are a savage.
 
I'd dial in your technique further.. get up to snatching the 24kg for volume, that will cover most your bases especially given your body structure.. couple that with more food and recovery, you will be able to move up to a 28kg eventually
 
If you can't snatch double 48kg 'bells now, then you will be stronger when you can.
Obviously, but where the kettlebell snatch shines is when you are training with a combination of velocity and density. I have been doing a lot of snatching with the 24kg lately... the challenge (for me) comes from keeping it moving with speed and lowering the rest periods (increasing density) and doing more reps at a given weight in a given time.

Could I go to 28-32kg for my next session? Sure, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze at this point. I would rather spend a longer time (especially with a movement like the snatch) at a lower load consolidating the gains and building a wider base as opposed to hot-shotting my way toward a larger bell. With grinds or less-ballistic ballistics, I might look to progress further, faster.
 
Obviously, but where the kettlebell snatch shines is when you are training with a combination of velocity and density. I have been doing a lot of snatching with the 24kg lately... the challenge (for me) comes from keeping it moving with speed and lowering the rest periods (increasing density) and doing more reps at a given weight in a given time.

Could I go to 28-32kg for my next session? Sure, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze at this point. I would rather spend a longer time (especially with a movement like the snatch) at a lower load consolidating the gains and building a wider base as opposed to hot-shotting my way toward a larger bell. With grinds or less-ballistic ballistics, I might look to progress further, faster.
Agreed. And something fun with a bigger bell to mix in with your volume training, low reps and appropriate rest to keep your speed up, and/or a complex like SA/IC or coming up with your own like Sn-P-PP-J-Sq. or put the snatch in the middle so you aren't starting from the ground.
 
Obviously, but where the kettlebell snatch shines is when you are training with a combination of velocity and density. I have been doing a lot of snatching with the 24kg lately... the challenge (for me) comes from keeping it moving with speed and lowering the rest periods (increasing density) and doing more reps at a given weight in a given time.

Could I go to 28-32kg for my next session? Sure, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze at this point. I would rather spend a longer time (especially with a movement like the snatch) at a lower load consolidating the gains and building a wider base as opposed to hot-shotting my way toward a larger bell. With grinds or less-ballistic ballistics, I might look to progress further, faster.
The OP would appear to have different goals/priorities than you. Obviously.
 
Well, I feel that he should stick with the skill set he already has until he can snatch near double weight (around 210lbs for a pair of beasts at 120lb bodyweight) and then, if he doesn't feel like he's "strong enough," he could grab a barbell.
 
Well, I feel that he should stick with the skill set he already has until he can snatch near double weight (around 210lbs for a pair of beasts at 120lb bodyweight) and then, if he doesn't feel like he's "strong enough," he could grab a barbell.
We'll have to agree to disagree, then. The list of people double snatching 48kg is a short one, and the list of people double snatching 48kg @ 120lb BW is probably non-existent. While it might be an admirable goal, even if the goal is to get there, building base "horsepower" with the barbell would be the best efficiency/bang for the buck.
 
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