Boris Bachmann
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HIT usually means "to failure" (or close to it) to older gym goers.
Barbell A Barbell Squat Challenge for 2022 (315lb x As Many Reps As Proper)
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watchnerd
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Ohhhhh....
What does "HIT" stand for in this case?
I'm used to RPE or RIR nomenclature.
Boris Bachmann
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HIT = High Intensity Training (a la Arthur Jones, Mike Mentzer, Ellington Darden, etc)
watchnerd
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Yeah, I was still a kid in their hey day.
Boris Bachmann
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It was still a big deal until probably late 90s. Dorian Yates didn't follow it rigidly but was a proponent, I think.
watchnerd
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My lost half decade when it came to physical culture.
After I got done with university and collegiate sports, I didn't want to touch hard training for years.
Although I did get a job working as a bouncer at a strip club right out of college before starting my career.
Antti
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@Boris Bachmann already cleared out what I meant by HIT.
My views on hypertrophy training are maybe a bit unusual. The only thing I typically care about is high tension on the muscle through heavy loads. The burn, pump, muscle damage, metabolite accumulation, etc, I'd rather avoid them all. Although some of the feelings are nice.
Having the barbell on my back is awesome but I like to do most of it on what counts, strength training. Time on other pursuits with it typically means less time on the strength training.
watchnerd
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Thanks for clarifying.
Are you saying you don't believe in phased potentiation?
Or are you saying don't like to use barbells for hypertrophy?
Although if @Boris Bachmann doesn't want such thread hijacking, I understand.
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Boris Bachmann
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I like the conversation!
Antti
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I'm not sure what exactly you mean by phased potentiation in this context. Care to clarify?
I get most of the hypertrophy I need through what I see as my strength training. At times, especially if I happen to train in a commercial gym, I do some additional isolation exercises for what I trained. But it's typically very little, a set or two for an exercise or two.
I can sit on the leg curl machine and jump right into my work set and bang out a set or two. Or grab some dumbbells and go for the Roman chair. But if I want to do some RDLs it takes a bigger load than my deadlifts, along with all the warm up, and worst, the training stress. Then again, I'm happy to do the RDL as the primary exercise of the day.
I do like to bench press for reps. It has a different feel to me. However, I don't think I approach it similarly to how people typically approach hypertrophy training. Still, it happens when the monthly kgs approaches six figures.
watchnerd
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If you're a powerlifter, you don't need the "power" block.Hypertrophy block -> strength block -> power / competition prep block
watchnerd
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If you're a powerlifter, you don't need the "power" block.
I know you were being facetious, but you made a light bulb go off in my head.
Power training is pretty bad for hypertrophy development, so if you don't spend any time on it, maybe you don't need a specific hypertrophy block to offset that.
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Yeah, true! So @Antti can spend all his time in the blue "Strength" block, and he's got it made.I know you were being facetious, but you made a light bulb go off in my head.
Power is pretty bad for hypertrophy development, so if you don't spend any time on it, you don't need a specific hypertrophy block to offset that.
Antti
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Hypertrophy block -> strength block -> power / competition prep block
If you're a powerlifter, you don't need the "power" block.
I know you were being facetious, but you made a light bulb go off in my head.
Power training is pretty bad for hypertrophy development, so if you don't spend any time on it, maybe you don't need a specific hypertrophy block to offset that.
I try to train in a concurrent manner. At least maintain all of my attributes, and develop some.
I do think I need to work on more parts of the force-velocity -graph than just the absolute strength part. But yes, the importance varies.
I do like to train in blocks that build on each other. But mostly it is a question of exercise selection.
william bad butt
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7/2/2022:
- Barbell Squat: 314×1, 367.5lbx10sx1r
Nice and slow and deep. Almost pause squats. Purposely anti-explosive, made them a grind. Felt pretty easy except for the last few reps.
- Barbell Squat: 314×1, 367.5lbx10sx1r
Nice and slow and deep. Almost pause squats. Purposely anti-explosive, made them a grind. Felt pretty easy except for the last few reps.
I read today that quick reps required more force than paused squats. Not sure how that jives with my experience paused squatting.
william bad butt
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I can believe this. For submaximal weights, I find slow grinds more painful than explosive ones.
For most of my lifting <75%, I keep the brakes on. A way to make the lighter weights heavy. I think it helps me get a good training effect with lighter weight. But when I want to max, I have to do a peaking cycle to get in the groove.
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watchnerd
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I feel insane guilt if I try to use this technique on a front squat or high bar back squat due to so much drilling to maximize utilization of the bounce.
So I save it for "oddball" squats (e.g. slant board cyclist squats, sumo squats) if I want to intentionally slow grind, where I don't feel like I'm sinning.
Hung
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How do you train using the bounce?during the squat, do your quads and glutes start to fire rapidly after the bounce is gone or they work from beginning of the ascendant?
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