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Strong First Approved Non-Minimalist Kettlebell Training

3 days a week of kb complexes with 2min rest btw sets... 3 days a week of S&S (just the swing progression)

Also the "Power train" could be a good addition instead of S&S

You hit all the movements and are under load a decent amount on the complexes, and you get some power/conditioning with a swing day
 
Not the OP but I'll insert my interest here: GPP, minimal time (max 20 min/day), up to 6 days a week, not needing recovery days. For wild & crazy grandfathers...
Geoff Neupert’s Easy Muscle would be my answer there. Do the 20 minute version 3x/wk with a heavy enough C&P and add in some LISS 3x/wk and one accessory exercise either right after the C&P session or on the alternate days before the LISS (I did dips). Imp, with only 20 minutes a day it’s hard to go beyond minimalist without just having random variety or completely blasting yourself.
 
Geoff Neupert’s Easy Muscle would be my answer there. Do the 20 minute version 3x/wk with a heavy enough C&P and add in some LISS 3x/wk and one accessory exercise either right after the C&P session or on the alternate days before the LISS (I did dips). Imp, with only 20 minutes a day it’s hard to go beyond minimalist without just having random variety or completely blasting yourself.
This is one good option

Glad to have you back here.. I was worried you disappeared on socials
 
I'm reading perhaps an early version? Seems like he allowed circulation of a pdf for free.
Is 2.0 much different?
I think the training info is not that much different. This version is free too, at least in terms of money. You get it for signing up to his newsletter.
 
I would probably say that return of the kettlebell is one of the programs that would be considerable maximalist. Since pavel wrote it I suppose it’s a priori strong first approved
 
Sorry, this is probably a super-dumb question, but I have been away from the forums for quite a while.
What would be a Strong First approved non-minimalist kettlebell programme? Or, is such a thing not particularly emphasized in our community of Strength here?
You could always do a Plan strong custom strength plan. There is a lot of volume and is non minimalist. Check into Reload by Fabio Zonin is a non minimalist approach. You could also build your own plan. Pick 3-5 exercises and do 3-5 reps for each exercise. Pick a couple ballistic movements like snatch, swings, or jerks. You could do a classic light, medium. heavy day. 40, 60, 80, 100 reps for ballistics. Have a couple practice days where you just play around with a couple lifts like windmills, bent pressing, double snatches, etc. You could add in a barbell day or two. Constructing your own and basing the day around how you feel such as yesterday you went a little heavy so today is a little lighter, etc. There are plenty of options.
 
The training app has the ABC - all bases covered plan. 3 days of goblet squats, swings and press (heavy, light, and medium volumes). Two days a week of TGU and pull-ups. I did it for a while and enjoyed it. Not super minimalist but also not overly complex.
I was wondering what that plan consisted of. That's a pretty good set up!
 
Get Pavel's book - Beyond Bodybuilding... The opening article was the 5x5x5 routine, but there was so much more...
A couple sessions per week of Shawn Mozen's Second Wind routines or Jeff Martone's H2H KB flows...
Or how about Charles Staley's EDT (book=Muscle Logic)
And so many suggestions in Easy Strength...
 
It all depends on what your goal is. Give us a goal and we'll talk programming. Strength? Conditioning? Both? In support of a sport, and if so, which one? In support of a martial art and, if so, which one?

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Just a general training programme, but where there is no constraint to specifically two main moves.
I guess it would be the equivalent of S&S, but where we aren't worried about keeping it all so ''simple'', :)
 
In terms of sport specific training, my hunch is that the 2h swing is ''the best'' move for judo and the 1h standing military press is ''the best'' for fencing (also helpful in judo).

This is all just by feel though training and experimenting with kettlebells since 2014 alongside judo (since 1988), the fencing is only 2 years old for me as of yet however.

Overall GPP I could say I get in many ways through just the sports themselves, although they lack enough strength building that the sports actually need, which is of course totally ironic and ridiculous, but hey, the real world is like this!

The irony is that judo does not make you strong enough to do judo and fencing does not make you strong enough to do fencing (well).

Judo needs full body power pulling, and fencing needs ''strong'' balance and strong bent arm strength.

In any case, I asked the original question because it just dawned on me that if SF did not put a cap on ''just two moves'', SF might come up with something just as good but different, and I was curious as to what that might be.

I have started to spread the gospel of weight training amongst my fencing teammates while improving my own fencing with kettlebell strength. The judo community knows all about kettlebells and SF, and several at the club train specifically S&S, me included!

The full power hip hinge is critical in judo, I think at least, and this is best hit with the 2h swing... just as the 1h standing military press pretty much replicates the strength system needed for fencing. the TGU has stuff in it that is not needed for fencing, but is good for judo newaza (ground wresting), and the 1h swing is excellent for overall grappling strength, but it does not seem to recruit enough power for the insane effort you need to actually throw an intelligent and strong opponent in many cases, and you absolutely need both hands for this (with of course a few minor exceptions as there always are for anything.)

...However... at least with the 2h swings, it seems to me more about drilling the movement than about relying on the 2h swing to develop any strength I wouldn't have already gotten from the S&S 1h swings, which deliver strength in large quantities! Same for the 1h presses vs TGUs: the TGUs grant more than enough of the same kind of strength, but there is an important and subtle coordination carryover to fencing benefit by doing 1h military presses.

I have no conclusion to all this yet - just my musings at the moment... (if anyone cares, haha!) :)
 
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