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Kettlebell Perceived level of exertion...not feeling like I'm doing enough?

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wow...you all are awesome. I gave up on message boards years ago as not very helpful invitations to be insulted...This is an amazing response. I appreciate all the input from everyone and the details @Anna C

I think I already knew the answer to my question but I was needing some reassurance that I was headed down the right path. I am going to get a 24kg KB and work on "owning" a little more weight.

If I was looking for some technique critique would I post a video to this thread?

Thanks again.
 
One more question...

Do you all train S&S in the Simple time interval every time, even as you are progressing up to a 32kg KB? In other words do you always do your swings in 5 mins and get ups in 10?

Thanks.
 
If I was looking for some technique critique would I post a video to this thread?

Sure, post video here or in a new thread, or start a training log, will be happy to help.

And yeah, definitely not the time standards in daily practice. Read through some past threads with S&S in the title and you'll see that point made over and over.
 
Hello,

@m_harv_colorado
Daily trainings last longer than the test. It is advised to test yourself only once a while, when you are confident in succeed in the test. Otherwise, a daily test is not a test anymore and it will cause you an excessive (and unecessary) fatigue.

Never rush ! You will progressively and surely work your way towards Simple standard ;)

Kind regards,

Pet'
 
One more question...

Do you all train S&S in the Simple time interval every time, even as you are progressing up to a 32kg KB? In other words do you always do your swings in 5 mins and get ups in 10?

Thanks.
I've been doing Simple for about 3 months now. My daily sessions last around 30 minutes. I test (go for time) every 3 weeks or so.
 
Not to gloss over the many issues that might bring this on: over training, under recovery, bad programming, wrong diet, etc, etc...Welcome to your 40s!! HA!

In all seriousness, like everything else, it depends on your goals. If you're into being crushed by a workout, then do that. Having something left in the tank was always impressed upon me as a young martial artist, but makes even more sense now that I'm closer to 50 than 40. And to be honest, I'm a helluva lot stronger than I ever was in my earlier decades.

The phrase "less is more" applies to a lot and while training should be challenging, I am of the opinion that leaving yourself completely drained after every session is counterproductive. If you're going to do high intensity CF style training, do it once/week. Feed that monkey and then move on.

The only objective way to tell if what you're doing is working is to think about your goals and test where you are right now. For example if you're into CrossFit, what's your Fran or Diane time? If you're into strength, what's you dead lift or front squat? If your paddling requires "x" then test "x" now and see where it's at. Then do S&S by the book for a month and see if "x" has improved. Testing, training and retesting is really the only way to see what's working or not working. Just feeling burned out is too vague.

Best of luck!
 
Yep i agree too. This is the best Strength and Fitness forum on the web bar none. I have spent so much time just looking around this site, reading threads and learning...it is an absolute goldmine of information and there is always someone on hand to offer advice. You guys should be proud.
Couldn't agree more. And I would go further and state that, I wish all online communities were like these forums, regardless of the subject matter. And I am even more impressed since SF is a company a business. How such a high standard of forum etiquette and blog posts can exist I still don't understand.

@m_harv_colorado glad that you seem to have found the answer you were looking for. I was (and I think many others aswell) have been in the exact situation of thinking "is this really enough". And all I can say, that it took a while for me to become "lazy" (which actually is being smart), but now I can see no other way of training for me.

Best of luck!
 
I wanted to share with you my Over training story in response to your post today. I was doing a lot of Volume work. I had strayed away from Marty's normal minimal program. 5x5 and heavy 3x10 do not work for this old man. And I was squatting twice a week. Just too much.
Any way I went back to short and sweet with 2 to 3 Simple and sinisters a week. I love Simple and sinister. I tell my clients PowerLifting is making a withdraw from the bank, kettlebells are making a deposit. You always want more in the bank than you take out.
 
Hello,

@donbdc
So how do you train now ? Do you do "only" S&S 2 - 3 times a week or do you also add some weightlifing (DL, squat) ?

I also overtrained for a while and I figured out that a daily "small" training, meaning heavy but not that heavy (daily dose, S&S, GTG mainly) during 30 or 40 minutes (including stretching) is very prolific.

Kind regards,

Pet'
 
I was doing S&S with my 40kg bell, but I've gone back to the 32. I thought the 32 wasn't enough, but it WAS and IS enough. If you're at about a third of your bodyweight, then you're doing enough.

What to do to make it "count" more is to do your swings harder and faster with less rest time between sets, and hold your getup positions for longer. If you still find this isn't enough for you then move up in weight.
 
When I am in a lifting cycle, I do a 12 week periodization with 2 lifting days. Sunday is bench and squat, Tuesday are dead lifts. Thursdays are typically military presses. So S&S are Monday, Wednesday and Saturday Lunch break work outs
Having just Competed 2 weeks ago, Marty says," I don't want you to touch a bar for 6 weeks." So Now I am doing
nothing but kettlebell work 5 days 3 S&S, 1 day Clean and presses, 1 day Front squats, Single leg dead lifts and Split squats all with double 24s and 28s. Need to get another 32 this week.
Indian clubs and ShouldeRok 3 to 4 days a week, always!
 
It's great to see @donbdc, Doc Don Berry here. He is one strong customer! Don, if you don't mind, please post a link to your web site.

-S-
 
Not to gloss over the many issues that might bring this on: over training, under recovery, bad programming, wrong diet, etc, etc...Welcome to your 40s!! HA!

In all seriousness, like everything else, it depends on your goals. If you're into being crushed by a workout, then do that. Having something left in the tank was always impressed upon me as a young martial artist, but makes even more sense now that I'm closer to 50 than 40. And to be honest, I'm a helluva lot stronger than I ever was in my earlier decades.

The phrase "less is more" applies to a lot and while training should be challenging, I am of the opinion that leaving yourself completely drained after every session is counterproductive. If you're going to do high intensity CF style training, do it once/week. Feed that monkey and then move on.

The only objective way to tell if what you're doing is working is to think about your goals and test where you are right now. For example if you're into CrossFit, what's your Fran or Diane time? If you're into strength, what's you dead lift or front squat? If your paddling requires "x" then test "x" now and see where it's at. Then do S&S by the book for a month and see if "x" has improved. Testing, training and retesting is really the only way to see what's working or not working. Just feeling burned out is too vague.

Best of luck!

Great suggestion. I am now about 6 weeks into S&S and feeling strong with nagging injuries essentially gone. I think the epiphany for me is that my sport is paddling and skiing...not crossfit. S&S allows me to be more spontaneous with my outdoor sports knowing that I don't have to plan around hard WOD's and corresponding recovery.

When I am in a lifting cycle, I do a 12 week periodization with 2 lifting days. Sunday is bench and squat, Tuesday are dead lifts. Thursdays are typically military presses. So S&S are Monday, Wednesday and Saturday Lunch break work outs
Having just Competed 2 weeks ago, Marty says," I don't want you to touch a bar for 6 weeks." So Now I am doing
nothing but kettlebell work 5 days 3 S&S, 1 day Clean and presses, 1 day Front squats, Single leg dead lifts and Split squats all with double 24s and 28s. Need to get another 32 this week.
Indian clubs and ShouldeRok 3 to 4 days a week, always!

I'd be interested to know what your clean and press rounds and reps and front squat rounds and reps look like? Thanks.
 
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