Matt
Level 3 Valued Member
Hi Aris,
You’re right – and correct in thinking I wasn’t taking it to its extreme conclusion. There would be structure as you’ve shown.
I was thinking – well maybe I can ask you (or anyone here) – well maybe not you as you might be doing something more advanced than the average – so assuming someone was doing a standard “western” progression as you’ve outlined (decreasing volume increasing %rep max, 4 week cycle) – in standard gym at a similar time daily with an average – above average level of experience : could I ask them at any point in their 4 week cycle to hit a rep max (max-max).
So week two – surprise, you’ve got to hit a max-max today on your second/third DL.
I wouldn’t expect them to back up the next day with the same (as per Steve’s point), but what about 2 weeks later, then 7 weeks later on a different day to their usual DL day etc etc.
I can’t imagine that I could have done that when I was training like that. For DL anyway.
Or give them a different weight belt, different plates – or use a kb, slightly narrower handgrips and test their max weighted pullup?
I don’t know if that / what would be possible with a Sheyko styled program (Sheiko? or Sheyko) – yet perhaps the strength gains from a more seemingly random variation (yet still structured) are more lasting (and therefore, in my simplistic terminology, less relative, less program/environment dependent). ??
You’re right – and correct in thinking I wasn’t taking it to its extreme conclusion. There would be structure as you’ve shown.
I was thinking – well maybe I can ask you (or anyone here) – well maybe not you as you might be doing something more advanced than the average – so assuming someone was doing a standard “western” progression as you’ve outlined (decreasing volume increasing %rep max, 4 week cycle) – in standard gym at a similar time daily with an average – above average level of experience : could I ask them at any point in their 4 week cycle to hit a rep max (max-max).
So week two – surprise, you’ve got to hit a max-max today on your second/third DL.
I wouldn’t expect them to back up the next day with the same (as per Steve’s point), but what about 2 weeks later, then 7 weeks later on a different day to their usual DL day etc etc.
I can’t imagine that I could have done that when I was training like that. For DL anyway.
Or give them a different weight belt, different plates – or use a kb, slightly narrower handgrips and test their max weighted pullup?
I don’t know if that / what would be possible with a Sheyko styled program (Sheiko? or Sheyko) – yet perhaps the strength gains from a more seemingly random variation (yet still structured) are more lasting (and therefore, in my simplistic terminology, less relative, less program/environment dependent). ??