100% Carnivore

Marcus Aurelius

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I saw this dude originally on Joe Rogan and was intrigued. I'll never do it but I thought it would be interesting to share. He claims all of his athletic endeavors has improved. It's quite amazing if true.
 

Antti

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I've found the man and his viewpoints very interesting. If nothing else, his diet certainly works for him.

Personally, I find I do really well with mostly animal products. I haven't ever tried to go 100%, but I have randomly gone for days with nothing else from plants than some herbs and spices and some olive oil. But then again, I'm certain I'm not something to aspire to be like.
 

Groove Greaser

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The only person I've seen on this forum who has at least tried (is still trying?) this WOE is @LoriLifts (Mentioned here). I'm curious how its going.

Personally, I'm in a similar spot to those above. I've joined the Zeroing in on Health Facebook group and follow it obsessively. While I have started eating more red meat, I haven't gone full carnivore. I don't see it happening any time soon either - but only because I'm afraid of the possibility of needing to reintroduce foods after not eating them for so long.
 

North Coast Miller

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IDK bout that. The Bellevue experiment proved you could go a year with no real deficiencies, but it left the participants with a severe glucose intolerance.

Inuit at the time did not show a glucose intolerance to the same testing, but the Bellevue participants added more fat than the typical Inuit diet of the folks being used as a control.

No thanks.

We can eat meat, but we are definitely not carnivorous apes.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Level 5 Valued Member
IDK bout that. The Bellevue experiment proved you could go a year with no real deficiencies, but it left the participants with a severe glucose intolerance.

Inuit at the time did not show a glucose intolerance to the same testing, but the Bellevue participants added more fat than the typical Inuit diet of the folks being used as a control.

No thanks.

We can eat meat, but we are definitely not carnivorous apes.
Totally. Some of the good arguments I've heard is that we really don't have any carnivorous tools on our bodies. We have to make weapons in order to hunt. If we were truly meant to eat allot of meat, we would have claws or something.
 

North Coast Miller

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Totally. Some of the good arguments I've heard is that we really don't have any carnivorous tools on our bodies. We have to make weapons in order to hunt. If we were truly meant to eat allot of meat, we would have claws or something.
We absolutely are very adaptable and opportunistic, and another factor that challenges any neat conclusion is that homo sapiens evolved entirely after the discovery of controlled firemaking. Boiling, baking etc etc release a lot of additional nutrition from many foods, and also make smoking of meats possible - without which there are very few environments meat can be stored safely. Is not really possible to say what our "natural" diet might be when you combine long distance traveling with an animal that can make fire AND weapons with which to hunt and prepare tougher root veg, tubers, starchy grains etc.

That said, there are no known indigenous peoples who survived on just meat. Even neanderthal ate estimated 30% minimum veg, so is definitely an experimental (as in not naturally occurring) diet.

The perfect diet is what agrees with you and is available I guess. I do eat meat but not as a staple. I suspect people are far more individual in what our optimum diet might be than the vast majority of natural environments could possibly accommodate.
 

Marcus Aurelius

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We absolutely are very adaptable and opportunistic, and another factor that challenges any neat conclusion is that homo sapiens evolved entirely after the discovery of controlled firemaking. Boiling, baking etc etc release a lot of additional nutrition from many foods, and also make smoking of meats possible - without which there are very few environments meat can be stored safely. Is not really possible to say what our "natural" diet might be when you combine long distance traveling with an animal that can make fire AND weapons with which to hunt and prepare tougher root veg, tubers, starchy grains etc.

That said, there are no known indigenous peoples who survived on just meat. Even neanderthal ate estimated 30% minimum veg, so is definitely an experimental (as in not naturally occurring) diet.

The perfect diet is what agrees with you and is available I guess. I do eat meat but not as a staple. I suspect people are far more individual in what our optimum diet might be than the vast majority of natural environments could possibly accommodate.
These days we can go to the supermarket and get whatever we want. No matter the climate or our environment, It's quite amazing really....
 

Harry Westgate

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To paraphrase Ori Hofmekler in an interview I saw with him:

We can eat meat, and we can kill, but when God created predators, humans were last in line. God said "okay, you can be predators too," after creating all others.

We are not wolves. We are not tigers.

Take what you will from that. I've done well on diets that both include and exclude meat. I think what is most important though is consumption of high quality food. This means different things to different people of course, but in my case, a day that doesn't include an abundance of vegetables is a very poor day of nutrition.

How many vegetables is enough? If I have to ask, I haven't had enough.

Meat may be fine to consume, but consuming all meat and no veggies to me sounds frankly insane. If you do well on it though, power to you!
 

Harry Westgate

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100% carnivore is imho the same extreme as 100% vegan.

Pavel says: "meat for strength, vegetables for health" - and I could not agree more.

% may differ from person to person, or time/season to time/season.
Pavel, you have spoken quite a lot in the past about being a fan of eating lots of meat. Do you have any thoughts on the claims/research out there that suggests that meat consumption may have negative effects on human health? E.g. cancer, heart disease, etc.

I would very much like to hear your views on meat and how it impacts health.
 

Groove Greaser

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Do you have any thoughts on the claims/research out there that suggests that meat consumption may have negative effects on human health? E.g. cancer, heart disease, etc.
I'm not @Pavel Macek (obviously), but I wanted to throw a great resource out there. To my thinking Dr. Rhonda Patrick has the most balanced view out there. She has a whole podcast episode called Does Meat Consumption Cause Cancer?. Also, here's a snippet from the JRE podcast where she talks about the issue:

 

Harry Westgate

Level 6 Valued Member
I'm not @Pavel Macek (obviously), but I wanted to throw a great resource out there. To my thinking Dr. Rhonda Patrick has the most balanced view out there. She has a whole podcast episode called Does Meat Consumption Cause Cancer?. Also, here's a snippet from the JRE podcast where she talks about the issue:

I love the JRE. I have actually seen that clip before, thank you for drawing it to my attention again.

I just find it fascinating but also frustrating to hear both sides, as there are people who put forth such assertive and convincing arguments both for and against meat consumption. It's hard to know what I should really be eating... :(
 

Marcus Aurelius

Level 5 Valued Member
I'm all for meat consumption as long as the animal was treated with gratitude and respect. Personally I'm a pescatarian. I eat wild caught fish, pasture raised eggs and pasture raised dairy for protein.

I've also worked on a farm before that raised pasture raised beef and pork. We loved the animals and we treated them like pets. But when it was time for slaughter, I couldn't be there for it. I did have to corral them to the barn though and that broke my heart. From that point forward I decided if I wasn't willing to kill an animal myself, I have no business eating them. But I have milked cows, collected eggs and caught fish. That I'm comfortable with.
 

offwidth

Level 9 Valued Member
I love the JRE. I have actually seen that clip before, thank you for drawing it to my attention again.

I just find it fascinating but also frustrating to hear both sides, as there are people who put forth such assertive and convincing arguments both for and against meat consumption. It's hard to know what I should really be eating... :(
Eat food, food you like, enjoy life...:)
 

Pavel Macek

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Pavel, you have spoken quite a lot in the past about being a fan of eating lots of meat. Do you have any thoughts on the claims/research out there that suggests that meat consumption may have negative effects on human health? E.g. cancer, heart disease, etc.

I would very much like to hear your views on meat and how it impacts health.
Harry, I am a half-vegetarian - I eat meat and lot of vegetables. % differs day from day, season from season.
 

Steve W.

Level 6 Valued Member
I just find it fascinating but also frustrating to hear both sides, as there are people who put forth such assertive and convincing arguments both for and against meat consumption. It's hard to know what I should really be eating... :(
If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat ;-).

Eat food, food you like, enjoy life...:)
This is my diet philosophy.

I really can't imagine basing my food choices on anyone's "arguments." Although those arguments are usually couched in sciency terms, they most often strike me as more some combination of political, ideological, religious, and magical, with a sprinkling of confirmation bias and wishful thinking.
 
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