800 calorie a day diet? Possible? Desirable

Discussion in 'Diet and Nutrition' started by Kana, Aug 23, 2019.

  1. seward

    seward Triple-Digit Post Count

    After a year and a half more or less on keto, those carb numbers for the reintroduction blow my mind. 60 grams feels like a wild night on the town, I can't imagine what it would be like to hit 300 daily.
     
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  2. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Forum Administrator Senior Certified Instructor

    You'd be pretty sleepy if your reaction is anything like mine.

    -S-
     
  3. Antti

    Antti More than 2500 posts

    Do you have guidelines for superhydration? Like for a powerlifter going to a meet or having a weekly heavy squat session.

    Personally, I have tried to stock up on carbs and salt like crazy for a day or two beforehand, but I wonder if there's a more elegant solution.
     
  4. kennycro@@aol.com

    kennycro@@aol.com More than 500 posts

    My Experience

    Years ago, I was trying to cut weight, drop down to a lower weight class. To do that I went on what I thought was a Ketogenic Diet.

    I didn't really know what I was doing, so my diet was actually ultra low carbohydrate, high protein and high fat.

    With two week to go before the meet, I fell into the weight class category of being a either a fat 75 kg/165 lb or a thin 82.5kg/181 lb lifter.

    Frustrated and tired of the diet, I decided to gain back up into the 82.5 kg/181 lb class.

    I accomplished that by consuming a mega amount of carbohydrates along with a lot fat.

    I gain the weight back quickly, which was primarily water. I was bloated and felt like crap. Walking from my front door to my car, 30 feet, was a cardio workout.

    However, the weight in my lift increased and felt easy.

    Ketogenic Diet

    One of the criticisms of the Ketogenic Diet is that the initial weight loss is water weight, not body fat, which is true.

    However, research shows that when an individual has been on the Ketogenic Diet for a while (is Keto Adapted) water weight is restored to the muscles, providing enough sodium is taken in.

    Also, once Keto Adapted, muscle glycogen is the same as with individual on a high carbohydrate diet.

    Thus, it appears that the superhydration effect of the Carb Loading Protocol doesn't work or work well for Keto Adapted individuals. The muscle cells are hydrated.

    After about a year of being on the Ketogenic Diet, I tried to Carb Load for superhydration. It didn't work for me.

    So, based on my personal experience, it appears that a Keto Adapted individual isn't going to obtain the same superhydration effect as someone on a high carbohydrate diet does with traditional...

    Carb Loading

    As you know, the protocol is for an individual on a high carbohydrate diet to cut out carbohydrates for about three days and then over consume carbohydrates for about three days.

    In the three day carbohydrate reload, the body over compensates, increasing glucose/water weight storage; superhydration occurs.

    Creatine

    For many, creatine produces "Cell Voluminizing" (superhydration).

    I am a Creatine Non-Responder. However, some of my friend have gotten a huge boost from Creatine, superhydrating the muscles.

    Glycerol

    Glycerol also promotes superhydation. Years ago, Dr Robert Robergs research at the University of New Mexico demonstrated hydration was maintained during sport like American Football and Soccer games in the heat.

    As we know, a drop in performance occurs with dehydration. Thus, players who maintain hydration levels during games, maintained their performance.

    If you run across something else that might work, please post it.

    Kenny Croxdale
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2019
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  5. justkel_

    justkel_ Still New to StrongFirst Forum

    In my opinion, an 800 cal / day diet will only mess up your metabolism & once you reintroduce a regular diet - you’ll regain all the weight and likely develop issues with binge eating. It’s a viscious cycle that it is insanely prevalent in the diet & fitness industry. The only real thing that gets you results is long term consistency. Eat in a reasonable deficit. Eat healthy. Exercise consistently. Just change your lifestyle and give yourself a year to really look back and see just what you were capable of. If you obsess over fast weight loss, you’ll never get out of the gain/lose cycle.
     

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