jef

I am a student of strength.
Certified Instructor
Just left a review on the website.

For people asking questions here (is it for BJJ only, how many programs, etc), this is what I wrote :

"If you are totally new to kettlebells, those videos are simply top quality, with a very structured approach and a complete package : breathing, mobility drills, progression to learn safely and effectively the needed exercises.
If you are not (like me, as an instructor who has participated in many certifications), it is still full of many important details. The breathing part might be the piece you were missing to fully develop powerful swings, over and over again in a single session. Or the way to integrate the right mobility drill at the right moment.

Some people have asked if it was only for BJJ practitionners.
Well, for sure, it is excellent for BJJ, as it will make you stronger, more powerful and endurant WHILE NOT stealing time and energy from the mat.

But the programming is also excellent for anyone who has a busy life and for whom recovery is a concern. At 45, I am still young, but I need to pay more attention to recovery.
These programs are simply perfect for me, as it will allow me to continue to train, get stronger, without being overly time-consuming and while leaving me plenty of energy for my life.

Yep, I wrote programS, plural, because it is a full package, from beginner to advanced. I know that my training is taken care of for the next 6 months !"
 

caddo2000

Level 5 Valued Member
I am interested in buying the product, but I have a question. As a 50 yo Judoka in Ireland I have been out of the mat for more than a year and I have no idea when we will be allowed to play again. I understand the program is on a 3 day schedule, to allow recovery for the main dish, grappling, but that it is indicated for non-grapplers too. Is there any information on how to modify the schedule if someone is using only this program and not doing anything else?
 

Bauer

Level 6 Valued Member
I am interested in buying the product, but I have a question. As a 50 yo Judoka in Ireland I have been out of the mat for more than a year and I have no idea when we will be allowed to play again. I understand the program is on a 3 day schedule, to allow recovery for the main dish, grappling, but that it is indicated for non-grapplers too. Is there any information on how to modify the schedule if someone is using only this program and not doing anything else?
No, there isn't, really. But you could extend your TGU sessions within the guidelines and add an aerobic activity like running. Possibly also pullups.
 

BJJ Shawn

Level 5 Valued Member
So multiple exercises at the Beginners Level?
Beginner is swings and TGU, but a different programming than S&S, and it builds up through intermediate level. After intermediate, you have multiple options of either continuing with swings and TGU, or moving on to clean and jerks, then moving on to double clean and jerks. There are beginner and intermediate versions of all the moves as well, so there is kind of a matrix of options depending on your skill and strength level. For example, you could do cleans and push presses, cleans and presses, cleans and jerks, etc. Work your way up through progressions until you can do a certain time of EMOM while passing the talk test, then increase the weight and do it again.

There's a lot of options, but it is based on swings and TGU for beginners-intermediates, and if you are seeing good progress and don't want to change you could stick with that all the way to advance with some adjustments to the programming. Alternatively, you move on to cleans and various presses.
 

Bauer

Level 6 Valued Member
So multiple exercises at the Beginners Level?
Beginnner: Similar to S&S, but more A+A style + TGUs geared towards BJJ. Both exercises 3x per week.
Beginner is swings and TGU, but a different programming than S&S, and it builds up through intermediate level. After intermediate, you have multiple options of either continuing with swings and TGU, or moving on to clean and jerks, then moving on to double clean and jerks. There are beginner and intermediate versions of all the moves as well, so there is kind of a matrix of options depending on your skill and strength level. For example, you could do cleans and push presses, cleans and presses, cleans and jerks, etc. Work your way up through progressions until you can do a certain time of EMOM while passing the talk test, then increase the weight and do it again.

There's a lot of options, but it is based on swings and TGU for beginners-intermediates, and if you are seeing good progress and don't want to change you could stick with that all the way to advance with some adjustments to the programming. Alternatively, you move on to cleans and various presses.
In addition to that: There is an option of separating swings and TGUs for intermediate to advanced trainees, training each only 3x within two weeks, but in longer sessions (think strength aerobics / A+A)
 

JR47

Level 1 Valued Member
I'm keen to hear feedback from those who have been doing it for a while around how it impacts their actual BJJ training. Eg do you do it on your off/non-rolling days? Same day? Does it make you sore? Do you feel it takes away from your rolling if done same day? Does it add value etc?
I'm liking it myself and try to do it on non-rolling days but curious how others are balancing the two.
Before lockdown I was training/rolling around 5x a week.
I found that doing S+S midday, and rolling in the Eve was by far the best way to train (for me). If I tried to lift midday I found I was too tired, but S+S (especially the get ups) primed my body really nicely for class.
I have bought this program and would say that it would be an excellent way to train, as it is fundamentally similar to S+S but with added flexibility for grapplers.
Hope that helps.
 

Adam Bell

First Post
Hi All,

Long-time lurker, First post here. I have a couple of quick questions:

1) Is anyone able to tell me if this program includes shoulder mobility progressions to work towards getting under a double jerk?
2) One of the great things about S&S is that seems to offer a long term progression path which can be scaled from untrained beginner all the way up to advanced athlete. Does it provide progression Instructions to go from Swings&TGU's to LCCJ back to Swings and&TGU's in a progressive fashion- leading up to something like Sinister?
3) What is the starting percentage of body weight or rep max used for the 1st block of single bell LCCJ?

I have been quite happy running S&S without extras. I've been running timeless with a 36kg 4 days a week, and I'm very close to picking up the 44kg again. On my last 2 test Fridays, I have hit the timed standard with a 32kg- but I
feel there was a few performance flaws in breath control and 3-4 swing reps that were garbage. So I'm not ready to say I've claimed Simple yet- I will keep testing every 2nd Friday until I hit an Instagram-worthy performance.

As someone who did other double bell programs before getting into S&S, It took me a couple of months to 'get-it' and buy-in. By buy-in I mean really understand the benefits of throwing timer out the window, and going 100% explosive on all reps. I burn much more fat this way and always feel energetic and great. Looking to keep this same approach but with the single bell LCCJ in a manner that can be cycled back to swings and TGUs in blocks. I'm basically looking to stay fit and improve explosiveness for Hockey, and look good with no shirt on (LOL! ) . Anyone who plays hockey and lifts KBs , knows how much the LCCJ paralells the down-low and-in -the-corners aspect of Hockey. It's so spot on I can't believe more trainers don't implement this lift for high hockey level players.

Cheers!
 

BJJ Shawn

Level 5 Valued Member
Hi All,

Long-time lurker, First post here. I have a couple of quick questions:

1) Is anyone able to tell me if this program includes shoulder mobility progressions to work towards getting under a double jerk?
2) One of the great things about S&S is that seems to offer a long term progression path which can be scaled from untrained beginner all the way up to advanced athlete. Does it provide progression Instructions to go from Swings&TGU's to LCCJ back to Swings and&TGU's in a progressive fashion- leading up to something like Sinister?
3) What is the starting percentage of body weight or rep max used for the 1st block of single bell LCCJ?

I have been quite happy running S&S without extras. I've been running timeless with a 36kg 4 days a week, and I'm very close to picking up the 44kg again. On my last 2 test Fridays, I have hit the timed standard with a 32kg- but I
feel there was a few performance flaws in breath control and 3-4 swing reps that were garbage. So I'm not ready to say I've claimed Simple yet- I will keep testing every 2nd Friday until I hit an Instagram-worthy performance.

As someone who did other double bell programs before getting into S&S, It took me a couple of months to 'get-it' and buy-in. By buy-in I mean really understand the benefits of throwing timer out the window, and going 100% explosive on all reps. I burn much more fat this way and always feel energetic and great. Looking to keep this same approach but with the single bell LCCJ in a manner that can be cycled back to swings and TGUs in blocks. I'm basically looking to stay fit and improve explosiveness for Hockey, and look good with no shirt on (LOL! ) . Anyone who plays hockey and lifts KBs , knows how much the LCCJ paralells the down-low and-in -the-corners aspect of Hockey. It's so spot on I can't believe more trainers don't implement this lift for high hockey level players.

Cheers!
Welcome,

1. There is a bit of upper back and shoulder mobility drills, as well as various progressions to help aid in shoulder mobility.
2. Yes, there are tons of progressions along the way that are shown, and can be included in the programming based on skill level. I think this program actually includes a ton more progressions than S&S from ultra beginner to super advanced.
3. Starting weight on LCCJ is with your 6-12 RM.

While you are to pass the talk test in this training just like S&S, the difference is that you have to pass the talk test in a timed manner or your day is done. In S&S, you do all your reps, even if it takes longer. In this, your progression involves how many sets you can do in a timed manner while still passing the talk test (for swings and LCCJ, not for get-ups).
For example: "Switch to sets of 5 every 30sec and keep going until you fail the talk test. Carry on until
whichever comes first: you hit 20min (200 swings total) or, more likely, your progress stalls for
two weeks in a row."
 

Adam Bell

First Post
Hi Shawn,

Thanks for your helpful reply. I’m going to pick this program up soon. I have resigned myself to sticking with S&S until I hit timeless with a 44kg / and timed with a 36kg....and then I ‘m going to dabble in blocks of other similar AGT training.

I am convinced that the jump between the 36 and 44 will be where the magic happens. Good Lord- it wont be easy though.

Cheers!
 
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