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Other/Mixed Another Ruckin' Question

Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)
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Coyote said:
I am trying. I am 54, and my MAF HR seems awfully low while running. ;)
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I’m trying to understand your statement here. MAF HR is a number, regardless of what you are doing. You are either training at it, above it, or below it. Do you mean that you are running below it? (For you that is going to be 126 (give or take 5 depending upon circumstances)
 
Steve made the comment that I wasn't old enough. I took that to mean that my MAF # wasn't low enough. Maybe I misunderstood.
 
Darn phone, sorry!
I train running at Maf continuously. I keep my HR at 120-125, just to keep it easy. I do have to walk quite a bit, especially up hills.

I know I am getting some benefits from rucking, even light weights, but I think the aerobic benefits might be negligible. Although I guess that is a reasonable question.
 
Coyote said:
Darn phone, sorry!
I train running at Maf continuously. I keep my HR at 120-125, just to keep it easy. I do have to walk quite a bit, especially up hills.

I know I am getting some benefits from rucking, even light weights, but I think the aerobic benefits might be negligible. Although I guess that is a reasonable question.
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I guess that’s what I’m questioning, whether the aerobic benefits are “negligible.” It’s supposed to be easy, and it’s still supposed to be beneficial.

If anyone’s misunderstanding it’s probably me.

I find a bit of Q&D, plus my below-recommended-MAF-max walking, is a great combination. And I love taking opportunities for Q&D-ish things while I’m out walking, e.g., I have a flight of 16 stairs while crossing under the train tracks on my way to and from the grocery store. I sprint up them, 2 step at a time. Even though it’s just a single “set,” I think it has benefit.

JMO here.

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It's supposed to be easy from a cardio standpoint. The slow jogging/niko niko folks jog at an even lower HR than MAF.
 
Coyote said:
Darn phone, sorry!
I train running at Maf continuously. I keep my HR at 120-125, just to keep it easy. I do have to walk quite a bit, especially up hills.

I know I am getting some benefits from rucking, even light weights, but I think the aerobic benefits might be negligible. Although I guess that is a reasonable question.
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‘Cardio’ lower than MAF is still cardio and just fine. I do a lot of recovery rides at an HR that is below what my MAF number would be. I don’t use MAF but AeT instead. In many folks this will be similar. In fit endurance specialists AeT will usually be higher than MAF.

That being said the ‘cardio’ benefits will decrease (or perhaps be less optimal) if one goes too low, but other benefits will still exist.
Likewise diminishing returns and worse (detrimental effects) when excessive training above AnT (Lactate Threshold)

Goals and expected adaptations will determine what type of cardio (and other) training is warranted.
 
One of my reasons for an interest in rucking, is to improve my walking. I enjoy entering ultra distance events, and during these events I spend a lot of time walking.
 
I have done 2 50k's and one 50 miler. I am planning on my first 100k in April, (the flatrock101). I prefer trail races, and I have aspirations to do some mountain ultras, but I live in Kansas. I want to do the Plain 100 , and the Bob Marshall open at some point. I have also done a few fast pack/ultra-light style over night through hikes on the Ozark and Ouachita trails. Not the whole trails, just out and backs. I like long bi-pedal travel. I wish I had the time to do more.

I did not start running, or even trying to be healthy, until I was 49. I have always been active, I am a carpenter and I hunt/fish/ etc.., but I had spent a lifetime drinking/smoking and eating everything. This has been a steep learning curve.
 
Coyote - good for you! I'm actually in recovery from alcohol plus I struggle with some mental health stuff. I'm in my early 40's and had a few wake-up calls myself.

Some day I want to do a 50k that is held locally and maybe the Eastern States 100 here in upstate Pennsylvania. But first, I may show up to a local 5k with a 35# ruck, just to see what kind of time I could crank out. I have until April to train.
 
Coyote said:
I have done 2 50k's and one 50 miler. I am planning on my first 100k in April, (the flatrock101). I prefer trail races, and I have aspirations to do some mountain ultras, but I live in Kansas. I want to do the Plain 100 , and the Bob Marshall open at some point. I have also done a few fast pack/ultra-light style over night through hikes on the Ozark and Ouachita trails. Not the whole trails, just out and backs. I like long bi-pedal travel. I wish I had the time to do more.

I did not start running, or even trying to be healthy, until I was 49. I have always been active, I am a carpenter and I hunt/fish/ etc.., but I had spent a lifetime drinking/smoking and eating everything. This has been a steep learning curve.
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This is squarely in the category of better late than never...
 
steve-in-kville said:
Coyote - good for you! I'm actually in recovery from alcohol plus I struggle with some mental health stuff. I'm in my early 40's and had a few wake-up calls myself.

Some day I want to do a 50k that is held locally and maybe the Eastern States 100 here in upstate Pennsylvania. But first, I may show up to a local 5k with a 35# ruck, just to see what kind of time I could crank out. I have until April to train.
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I use MAF based training on the bike and foot (run, ruck, hike) to do longer thru-hikes and trail running races up to 50 miles. With the current lack of races my buddies and I have been riding to / from local trails for some longer trail running. Our hope is to complete the Appalachian Trail 4-State Challenge (PA, MD, WV, VA) next spring as a speedy thru-hike.
Be cautious with the ruck running as it can exacerbate any lower extremity issues that you have. Check out the Quarantine Fitness article here on StrongFirst for some trail running and rucking ideas. Stay healthy and build up slowly!
 
Steve Freides said:
Do we have any randonneur cyclists here? I briefly dabbled, doing a populaire once.

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I am not sure exactly what radonneur races are, but I live in an area where "gravel races" are very popular. There is a 50-200 mile race or event, almost every weekend within easy driving distance. Both gravel racing and bike packing seem like an activity that I may yet get involved in. That pesky money thing is the only preventing factor currently. I like the idea of long distance mountain biking, too. I have no real desire to actually race, but I would like to participate.

The Continental Divide trail race looks like it would be a worthwhile activity.
 
@Coyote , @Steve Freides
I don’t know if you followed Peter Yeats on his training log here, but he just rode the Munda Biddi in Western Australia. It’s about 1,000km of self supported trail and off-road riding... good stuff.

Gravel rides (and races) have indeed become very popular. So much so that we have a new breed of bike crop up. (Although, I have not succumbed to temptation just yet, and ride my cyclocross bike for such things)
 
@offwidth, "cyclocross" - I haven't heard that term in a while. Great stuff, and the progenitor of so many things, IMHO, including all this "in the mud, on the gravel, across obstacles" stuff we have nowadays.

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offwidth said:
Gravel rides (and races) have indeed become very popular. So much so that we have a new breed of bike crop up. (Although, I have not succumbed to temptation just yet, and ride my cyclocross bike for such things)
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Gravel riding has sucked up a lot of my time (and money) the last two or three years. Love road riding and mountain biking but now I find myself usually just grabbing my gravel bike and linking road and trails. Good stuff.

If only it didn't burn so many damn calories...
 
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