Anyone got experience with ketogenic diets?

Discussion in 'Diet and Nutrition' started by Harry Westgate, Oct 27, 2016.

  1. miraculish

    miraculish Double-Digit Post Count

    I use a ketogenic diet as part of my seizure management. I started out at 8g of carbs per day and (over the past 2 1/2 years) have worked up to 30g of carbs per day. I don't practice calorie restriction and just make sure I keep my ratios correct (currently 1:3:5 of carbs:protein:fat).
    I started the diet out of desperation while I was waiting to get in with an epileptologist with the full knowledge that I could accidentally cause myself major physical problems. I didn't, but be smart and know your risks.
    I did find it very difficult to keep on body fat when I was under 20g/day and that's one reason I took the chance on upping my carb intake. At 30g/day and sedentary (I am changing that!), I can keep on body fat rather easily now.
    The diet works beautifully for my seizures and accounts for about the same amount of seizure control as my anticonvulsant. Even if my seizures vanished today though - even though the diet is so restrictive, I have a ton more energy than I did before and I would continue it. My body just runs better on fat.
     
  2. LukeV

    LukeV More than 300 posts

    While pursuing what was, at the time, a straight-forward low carb diet I checked my urine and found I was in ketosis. I was in no way attempting to reach ketosis but eliminating sugar, grains and the most obvious starchy vegetables while restricting fruit got me there. I also found that once in ketosis it pretty much didn't matter what I ate on a single day, I would be back in ketosis within 24-48 hours (usually 24). While in ketosis calories did matter if my aim was to lose weight, but I never put on weight no matter how much I ate
     
  3. pet'

    pet' More than 5000 posts

    Hello,

    A paleo diet with "low fruits" and some goat cheese if you can digest it would lead to keto too I think.

    Kind regards,

    Pet'
     
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  4. mprevost

    mprevost More than 500 posts

    There is some data out there that shows that it takes about 30 grams of protein to maximally stimulate protein synthesis in people over 35 years old. So the recommendation is to get protein in 30+ gram servings based on that data. In real life I am not sure how important that is. The issue is not settled in my mind yet. Still looking at the research.
     
  5. mprevost

    mprevost More than 500 posts

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    Here is a graphic from a paper discussing 30grams and maximal protein synthesis.

    From:
    Dietary Guidelines should reflect new understandings about adult protein needs
    Donald K Layman
    Published: 13 March 2009
    Nutrition & Metabolism 2009, 6:12 doi:10.1186/1743-7075-6-12
     
  6. mprevost

    mprevost More than 500 posts

    Individual responses vary. I had a tripling of LDL cholesterol on a ketogenic diet. Follow on LDL particle count testing showed increased particle count as well. Not good! But results vary. Below is a snapshot of some of Jeff Voleks data. Note the variability in response to the diet.
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    The average response was no change but you can see that most subjects saw some change with some having a large increase in total cholesterol and some a large decrease. I would recommend testing for anyone considering going ketogenic.
     
  7. HUNTER1313

    HUNTER1313 More than 500 posts

    Years ago I had success with a form of the anabolic diet and intermittent fasting. I shed fat and gained some muscle. Usually had one carb refeed on the weekend. I may do I t again. It's nice eating fat, cheese, and meat. Heavy/whipping cream protein shakes were delicious too.
     
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  8. masa

    masa More than 2500 posts

    Thanks man. I've got hungry by picturing those in my head.:)Gotta break the fast now.:confused:
     
  9. pet'

    pet' More than 5000 posts

    Hello,

    @masa
    You can also eat cheese cakes with additional proteins ;) (whey or veg proteins, because some of them are taste free).

    Kind regards,

    Pet'
     
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  10. masa

    masa More than 2500 posts

    Thanks for the tip. Cheese cake is good. Gotta bake some with added protein powder.
     
  11. Phil12

    Phil12 Quadruple-Digit Post Count

    Got a cheesecake recipe guys?
     
  12. William F

    William F Double-Digit Post Count

    No bake is OK? How about cashews?
     
  13. Phil12

    Phil12 Quadruple-Digit Post Count

    Both are fine by me
     
  14. William F

    William F Double-Digit Post Count

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  15. pet'

    pet' More than 5000 posts

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  16. Ken Korcak

    Ken Korcak Double-Digit Post Count Certified Instructor

    Dominic D'Agostino is good to follow up on, as well as keto, he advocates fasting. I will be attempting my first 3 day fast soon. Then I will stay in ketosis for a while. Will keep you posted. Between D'Agostino and Tim Ferriss, I will be supplementing with MCT and BCAA during the fast. There is also talk of using exogenous ketones, but I prefer not to spend that kind of money if it is not needed. I will try to post my progress.
     
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  17. pet'

    pet' More than 5000 posts

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  18. Ken Korcak

    Ken Korcak Double-Digit Post Count Certified Instructor

    At the moment I think I will only have one training day during my 3 day fast. I will be starting a new barbell program so it will not be high intensity or high volume. BCAA's are on my radar, and I believe they are called for on the first day of the fast when getting into ketosis.

    Thanks,
    Ken
     
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  19. pet'

    pet' More than 5000 posts

    Hello,

    @Ken Korcak
    Some folks used / have used BCAA's, including during keto / IF with pretty good results.

    Kind regards,

    Pet'
     
  20. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Forum Administrator Senior Certified Instructor

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