SuperGirevik
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@Papa Georgio, I've never done a pistol. Seems like a worthy goal.
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Thinking of doing S&S in the morning and then SS in the afternoon (S&S+SS). Might do S&S 3x per week to coincide with my SS days.... or I might try to do it daily if recovery allows.
This comes back full circle to another discussion some time back regarding ones definition of 'GPP'. For some swings and TGU's might be adequate... for others woefully short of the mark.There is certainly enough leg development in swings and TGUs for GPP.
Yeah but... even if the TGUs aren't really big leg builders and are more "mobility" type things for the legs, the swings get a lot of leg involvement. If the goal is to generally strengthen the body, the legs are certainly included in S&S. It's hard to see how one could successfully argue the legs aren't getting exercised enough in S&S in a general sense. I guess semantics are always going to pop up.This comes back full circle to another discussion some time back regarding ones definition of 'GPP'. For some swings and TGU's might be adequate... for others woefully short of the mark.
@Alan Mackey, I was thinking of doing the Starting Strength NLP program. It involves the squat, bench, deadlift and press, performed 3x per week.
Thinking of doing S&S in the morning and then SS in the afternoon (S&S+SS). Might do S&S 3x per week to coincide with my SS days.... or I might try to do it daily if recovery allows.
Although I do want to reach the simple standard again and go for sinister....
@Anna C, I might hold off on SS for a while (I'll just focus on reading the book for now). I really don't want to quit S&S at the moment. Do you recommend I do PTTP in order to mix in barbells or is there something else you would recommend to compliment a daily (or near daily) dose of S&S?
It's hard to see how one could successfully argue the legs aren't getting exercised enough in S&S in a general sense. I guess semantics are always going to pop up.
The best way to make the legs strong is to push some serious weight. Enter the barbell squat. Intelligent programming is required.
If you want to combine strength work with S&S you can try Wendler's 5/3/1. You can do S&S as your assistance work for the day.
@Mark Limbaga, I just want my legs to be in balance to the rest of my body. In other words, if I can deadlift +400lbs and press a 40kg, how much should I squat (approximately)?
As of now, I can bench more than I can squat. Doesn’t seem correct to me...
I'm nowhere near that.Back squat: 400 lbs.
I have to say though that I wonder if I ought to do more leg-focussed stuff for my judo. I just really don't feel the need for it, but I could be wrong in not feeling this need.
@Mark Limbaga, I just want my legs to be in balance to the rest of my body. In other words, if I can bench 230lbs, deadlift 400lbs and press a 40kg, how much should I be able to squat (approximately)?
As of now, I can bench more than I can squat. Doesn’t seem correct to me...
I will once again sound like Mark Rippetoe proving that I do agree with him on some issues. He always says strength is a "general adaptation." I want to qualify that a bit and phrase it this way: For the vast majority of sports, any strength built in the gym is going to be general. For the vast majority of sports, trying to "mimic" sports movements using weights or heavier-than-normal implements (think a tennis players practicing with a heavy racket) is going to be dangerous/injury producing, counterproductive, or just plain stupid. For the vast majority of sports, you will not gain much strength or fitness just practicing the sport, at least not past the beginner stage. So, the training model for the vast majority of sports (notice how I keep repeating this?) is going to be build general strength in the weightroom and then practice your sport, and hopefully the strength you've gained will transfer over to your sporting event. Even Pavel said something similar in Enter the Kettlebell so this is not controversial.
That's not to say that there are no "sports specific" exercises. However, these have been proven to be safe and effective (e.g., beyond a certain weight, using heavier-than-normal implements is counterproductive because your body is forced to use a different motor pattern to compensate for the increased weight, and this will not carryover to the normal-weighted implement). A good example of a "sports specific" exercise is cyclists who ride uphill pushing a big gear. This will only help a cyclist - I doubt any competent strength coach would have NFL lineman riding bikes up hills in a big gear. So "sports specific" exercise is only good for the sport and nothing else, and usually best done after some general strength has been built. My guess is certain drills done in judo can build up "sports specific" strength, and certainly regular sparring sessions can build up "sports specific" conditioning.
So, instead of asking "Do I really need strong legs for my sport," ask "Do I need to be strong for my sport?" If so, then go to the weightroom and work on getting stronger in the squat, press, deadlift and bench press. Focus on building general strength and quit worrying about whether the exercises "transfer" to your sport. Because guess what - no exercise done in the weightroom is ever going to be a movement you do on the field of play, unless your field of play is powerlifting or Olympic weightlifting.