Kettlebell Can you actually JUST use KB’s as a primary cardio?
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This article might be in a similar vein - a SFG used kettlebells to train for a sub-two hour half marathon.Steve, didn't one of the early RKC's train for a marathon or half-marathon, by just doing KB swings and/or Snatches? I remember him posting his routine and how the event went in comparison to times he trained only by running. I vaguely remember him saying it was mostly favorable, with little drop off. I thought he may have done 3 short runs a week, so his running muscles still were conditioned.
(editI'm remembering it may have been Rob Lawrence?)
Running Without Running: Training For A Half-Marathon When You Have A Full Schedule | StrongFirst
Distance running requires good movement and endurance. How could a strength program lead to half-marathon success after only 5 training runs?
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TedDK
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But why?This article might be in a similar vein - a SFG used kettlebells to train for a sub-two hour half marathon.
Running Without Running: Training For A Half-Marathon When You Have A Full Schedule | StrongFirst
Distance running requires good movement and endurance. How could a strength program lead to half-marathon success after only 5 training runs?www.strongfirst.com
You shouldnt run much to do this?
I wouldnt train for a powerlifting meet with mostly running.
TimothyGander
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For another personal observation, my wife thinks kettlebell swings have enhanced her walking speed and endurance.
Did you read the article? The article is specifically about a man who did not like to run but wanted to see if he could use kettlebells to prepare him for a half marathon, and he specially says at the end of the article he wouldn’t necessary recommend training like this - it was an experiment. And if you read the article he attempts to dissect the necessary qualities involved in a half marathon and then attempts to train them separately from running.
As for why I posted it, I was specifically replying to another member who was remembering an RKC/SFG who used mainly kettlebells to prep for a race, and I thought it was relevant to what he was thinking about.
North Coast Miller
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Pretty good older thread about using only or mostly intervals to train for a marathon. Nobody recommends it as a first choice but it can certainly work, and well in some cases.
Anyone run a marathon using only high intensity intervals for training?
The prevailing paradigm for marathon training is running as much volume as you can handle at intensities that keep you breathing easy, along with some shar...
www.letsrun.com
watchnerd
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Hamstring work / posterior chain pulls / hinges seem to help my sprinting speed.
Seems to apply equally to KB swings and barbell moves like RDLs and clean pulls.
(not sure I can say the same about sumo DLs, from my n=1)
Has anyone posted this link yet?
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A Running Program for Strength Athletes | StrongFirst
Here is an easy-to-follow running program that will improve your aerobic ability drastically without compromising strength days.
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ali
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Australian woman's record-breaking run from continent's 'tip to toe'
Erchana Murray-Bartlett has run a marathon a day for 150 days, covering 6,300km (3,900 miles).
www.bbc.com
A marathon a day for 150 days.
Not mentioned in link but saw an interview where she said, although a distance runner anyway she prepped for it by strength training. So yes
Whosonfirst
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Okay thanks, I was going to mention the Philly connection as well.
Joel the Savage
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First of, it depends...
Actual studies (sciency-studies) show that swings are about 60% of VO2max of running. Snatches about 85%.
So me for example, I will not go out and jog cause I find it to boring. So for me kettlebells is a great cardio exercise cause I will do it. Way better than running, which I won't do.
Brandon Trahan
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My resting heart rate in the mornings is usually 53-58…. And that’s being at 310 lbs…. Not sure if that’s good or bad ha
watchnerd
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Interestingly, rowing results in higher VO2 and VE Max than running, but with a slightly lower HR.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Oxygen uptake and ventilation during rowing and running in females and males - PubMed
This study evaluated if the ventilatory response to exercise is impaired by the cramp position of rowing. Maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), maximal expiratory volume (VEmax), and maximal heart rate (HRmax) during rowing and running were compared in 55 males (age, mean +/- SD, 21 +/- 3 years...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pet'
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Hello,
Here is something not really traditional about how to train for long running events but it seems to work though:
www.nomeatathlete.com
Kind regards,
Pet'
Here is something not really traditional about how to train for long running events but it seems to work though:
How I'm Training for My First Ultramarathon in 9 Years... With No Long Runs | No Meat Athlete
In 2013, I ran my first 100-mile ultramarathon. And then, just like that, I quit running. Quitting wasn’t really the plan. But I got busy with the tour for my first book, and just never started training again. The 100 had been the culmination of a decade of hard work, ups and downs, a Boston […]
Kind regards,
Pet'
North Coast Miller
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I’d say that’s a good thing.
offwidth
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And yet at the same time… directly quoted from this guys article:Hello,
Here is something not really traditional about how to train for long running events but it seems to work though:
How I'm Training for My First Ultramarathon in 9 Years... With No Long Runs | No Meat Athlete
In 2013, I ran my first 100-mile ultramarathon. And then, just like that, I quit running. Quitting wasn’t really the plan. But I got busy with the tour for my first book, and just never started training again. The 100 had been the culmination of a decade of hard work, ups and downs, a Boston […]
Kind regards,
Pet'
There’s little doubt that the best way to run your fastest race is to train with a lot of miles, most of them slow. This is how champion runners train,
That article talks about yet another use of S&S as a foundational, GPP program that can help one achieve other goals.Here is something not really traditional about how to train for long running events but it seems to work though:
How I'm Training for My First Ultramarathon in 9 Years... With No Long Runs | No Meat Athlete
In 2013, I ran my first 100-mile ultramarathon. And then, just like that, I quit running. Quitting wasn’t really the plan. But I got busy with the tour for my first book, and just never started training again. The 100 had been the culmination of a decade of hard work, ups and downs, a Boston […]
One can't disagree with that statement, but some of us don't run slowly and run in good form at the same time, and I'm one such person.
My favorite expression from all of Dr. McGill's writings is "self-selecting," the idea that some pursuits aren't good for a few/some/many/most people and that, at the highest levels of those pursuits, you're looking at the people who can tolerate what they must go through (and you're not seeing all the people who dropped by the wayside). I consider myself such a person when it comes to long, easy distance running.
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TedDK
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But if you and others cant tolerate Long runs fx. Then MT/HMT/IM and so om isnt the best thing to do.
pet'
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Hello,
The way I view it is as follows: if one wants to be really good at something, one has to practice the craft per se. Running is no exception. Usually, the classic way to train is 70-80% of weekly volume in Z2. Roughly, the remaining portion is equally divided into interval work and sprint work (Z5). All this volume usually has to be done with running because running remains a skill.
If one do not like running, then, challenge aside, there is no reason to run an ultra. Almost everyone is able to run a 5K or 10k, assuming there is no previous injury or medical constraints. However not everyone can run a 10K in 30 minutes. Plus, being able to run a 10k without being injury during or afterwards does not mean one has good form. It may simply mean that one did not reach the threshold where poor form ends up in injury
GPP will obviously help, whether we use S&S as main tool or CF or whatever. For instance, will a military run / ruck faster and heavier than average ? Probably. Will he be able to lift more and more often than average ? Probably. However, will he be better than a professional runner ? Probably not.
Kind regards,
Pet'
The way I view it is as follows: if one wants to be really good at something, one has to practice the craft per se. Running is no exception. Usually, the classic way to train is 70-80% of weekly volume in Z2. Roughly, the remaining portion is equally divided into interval work and sprint work (Z5). All this volume usually has to be done with running because running remains a skill.
If one do not like running, then, challenge aside, there is no reason to run an ultra. Almost everyone is able to run a 5K or 10k, assuming there is no previous injury or medical constraints. However not everyone can run a 10K in 30 minutes. Plus, being able to run a 10k without being injury during or afterwards does not mean one has good form. It may simply mean that one did not reach the threshold where poor form ends up in injury
GPP will obviously help, whether we use S&S as main tool or CF or whatever. For instance, will a military run / ruck faster and heavier than average ? Probably. Will he be able to lift more and more often than average ? Probably. However, will he be better than a professional runner ? Probably not.
Kind regards,
Pet'