Kettlebell Difference between Verkhoshansky and Seluyanov?

[foobar]

I've been reading about Verkhoshansky "local muscular endurance" training
(described in detail in his book http://www.verkhoshansky.com/Portals/0/Book/Special_Strength_Training.pdf)
The basic idea is to engage fast-twitch fibers (without overloading cardio-respiratory system).

What are the main differences between "local muscular endurance" and ideas described
in "The Quick and the Dead" (which I believe are based on Seluyanov's approach).

They seem very similar, but are they the same?

 

[Steve Freides]

I had a chance to ask Pavel about this. He recommended this article from just a few months ago on our site:

The Quick and the Dead vs Strong Endurance™—What is the Difference? | StrongFirst

Anti-glycolitic training delays or avoids unfavorable conditions that reduce performance. Q&D is one of Strong Endurance's AGT protocols.

www.strongfirst.com

For a deeper dive into this and similar subjects, I recommend you attend the seminar the article mentions, Strong Endurance.

-S-

 

[DuncanGB]

@foobar
This series of articles explains Selouyanov's Slow Twitch Muscle Fiber Hypertrophy Method mentioned in the article @Steve Freides linked to above:

How to Build Your Slow Fibers, Part I | StrongFirst

Slow fibers take slow movements to train them. Consider the “Golden God” dance by the famous Soviet Chechen dancer Mahmoud Esambayev.

www.strongfirst.com

Very different indeed to both Verkhoshansky classic AGT/A+A {mitochondrial respiration] and Q&D [mitochondrial biogenesis] methods

 

[Steve Freides]

This series of articles explains Selouyanov's Slow Twitch Muscle Fiber Hypertrophy Method mentioned in the article @Steve Freides linked to above:

If memory serves, there are 4 articles in total, and each has links to the others at the end of the article.

-S-

 

[DuncanGB]

If memory serves, there are 4 articles in total, and each has links to the others at the end of the article.

-S-

Yes - this article is in fact the start of the series:

Should You Train Your Slow Twitch Fibers? | StrongFirst

Cutting-edge Russian research tells us every type of athlete, from marathoner to powerlifter, has a lot to gain from training slow twitch fibers.

www.strongfirst.com

 

[foobar]

Thanks for links.

I understand Seluyanov's stato-dynamic (ie, slow-twitch fiber) training. I also understand
Verkhoshansky's local muscular endurance, why it works and what it does.

I am talking about Seluyanov's 10x10 protocol (Here's an example of this ).
In short, 10 pretty reps with a short pause between reps. Seluyanov himself in one of the youtube videos
explained this type of exercise:


He explained that the point of these exercises is to build mitochondria in fast-twitch
fibers. The only other article I've seen (in English) on this topic is a blog post:

Summary of Selouyanov’s training method

The Quick and the Dead by Pavel Tsatsouline is finally here. As always, there was quite a bit of fuss and drama over it, but at ...

girevoysportafter40.blogspot.com

But I still fail to see how this is so different than Verkhoshansky's local muscular
endurance. It is different, but it seems very very subtle.

 

[6was9]

There are lots of aspects of Selouyanov's work. As with most things, some good and some not so. He was the advocate of avoiding glycolysis, and the method presented in the first video in the post above has been used in practical training. However, "statodinamika", the method in the second video, has been pretty disappointing. It may build slow twitch fibers, at least in theory, but in terms of improving performance in sports it hasn't demonstrated practical value. As one example, there was an interview with the canoe rowing coach on Youtube (he has couple of Junior champions on his list of trainees) who said exactly that. The interview is in Russian, and I understand posting videos in foreign languages are not allowed here. If someone is interested shoot me a pm.