Other/Mixed Dishonor of Aerobics
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Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)
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manuelp22
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Zeohawk
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Hmm very interesting. But as long as you're not too young nor training to be an elite/olympic athlete I'm not sure how much that applies. I don't think most people swim for an hour every day, as that would be too intense and burn a lot of resources. There's a gray area since it's not clearly defined what moderation is for each individual but I think performance can be increased in a safe way for most people until you're reaching your upper limits. It depends how sensible you are. Although I am figuring out I might only care about GPP training, the concept is still new to me.
conor78
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Training Endurance Athletes for the Long Season
Peter Park who trained Lance Armstrong.
I'm not sure how you define conditioning but in terms of endurance the TDF is to my mind the world's gold plated event. ( all things considered.)
Peter Park who trained Lance Armstrong.
I'm not sure how you define conditioning but in terms of endurance the TDF is to my mind the world's gold plated event. ( all things considered.)
Tarzan
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I have to admit my experience with Aerobics was in the late 80's, so my opinions could be somewhat outdated. Whenever I attended an Aerobics class (3 times in total because I had a thing for the instructor) it was almost a sustained effort at a heart rate we now know is not optimal for either performance gains or recovery. I was a semi pro cyclist at the time and also among the first wave of people using heart rate monitors.
So after getting a feel for what it's like to train in different heart rate zones I almost instantly realised the form of Aerobics I tried was being carried out at a much higher rate than what was optimal for everyone in the class with the possible exception of the instructor and myself. I was also being trained by a coach who liaised with a leading sports scientist from a local university and all the data we were gathering was indicating those elevated heart rate zones were far from optimal.
We were also being monitored for blood gasses and inflammatory markers and consistently found there was threshold that was easily crossed and doing just a bit too much can have a dramatic negative effect on recovery and performance.
It didn't have a name at the time as far I know but our training evolved to follow a similar approach to what Maffetone uses today, albeit with slightly higher heart rate zones for the base aerobic work.
We were getting consistently better results than most of the competition by doing lower heart rate base Aerobic work combined with several sessions of interval work each week.
Fast forward 25 years or so and and most of the early observations we were making have been vindicated and refined by the likes of Maffetone etc.
So when I look at S&S I see the culmination of years of work and data gathered by sports scientists all around the globe. It revolves around training at specific heart rate zones that are compatible with long term health.
In comparison Aerobics (what I tried anyway) was much more haphazard and over the top for over 90% of those doing the classes.
manuelp22
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That's quite a bold statement, yet you do know what you're doing when it comes to aerobics and stretching?
Zeohawk
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You misunderstand, I don't claim to know everything, but in the words of Jon Engum, there's a lot of charlatans out there. There's a reason there's so much misinformation out there and it's not always the media or intentional. That's not to say there's not other methods that work since there is. But for example when I discovered StrongFirst and the like I could breathe a sigh of relief because I finally found something that worked for me, similar to @Tarzan and how the Maffetone methods worked for him
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