Kettlebell Do you do any sports alongside Kettlebells?
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This is what the members of the SF Members data base say about their sports participation...
This is what the members of the SF Members data base say about their sports participation...
sizzlefuzz
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BJJ = basically just judo, as people on Reddit say, I will say I love listening to interviews with elite judoka and their competition mindset. I guess I'm just sour on the judo ruleset & not allowing leg attacks
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fractal
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and rewarding stalling in a turtle position for a standupBJJ = basically just judo, as people on Reddit say, I will say I love listening to interviews with elite judoka and their competition mindset. I guess I'm just sour on the judo ruleset & not allowing leg attacks
Bret S.
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I grew up playing hockey, my all-time favorite sport! I was a hip check specialist, 100 yrs ago when they still used it
Opiaswing
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As was the case with me until I took up the most important art of all - meditation. (IMO of course).
Opiaswing
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Guys, I seriously want to start Judo. There is one literally 5 minute walk from my home and is ‘cheap as chips’ as we say here in england.
I’m just very concerned about the injury rate of the sport. Kettlebells is currently the only sport I do, and it keeps me seriously healthy and strong.
I would hate to be plagued by a serious injury or even chronic one as a result of being thrown and landing funny.
Can you gents advise me?
Snowman
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Grappling tends to have fairly low injury rates as far as combat sports go. But still, the fewer takedowns/throws you do starting out, the safer it will be. I think the key is to make sure you're training in a manner appropriate for your level. Be ready to tell people you're new and ask them not to go full speed until you get on the ground. Most schools are pretty respectful of letting people sit things out if they don't feel comfortable, or modifying things to make them more "newbie friendly." Everyone starts somewhere, and if you like it, it will likely be a multi-decade pursuit. Might as well take your time.
sizzlefuzz
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Grappling sports are the best, go try a judo class and see if you like it. Injuries are "part of the game". Plus, it's not like they are going to throw you in there with a Commonwealth Games medalist your first night out there for randori.
It will probably be a few months (several?) before you build up the skills and knowledge to be sparring live, hard rounds.
Plus, with your background in physical training you will be much more durable and resilient than the average guy walking in off the street.
I'm not going to say you're not going to get injured in judo, but honestly if you stay on the sidelines & worry about injuries before even stepping on the mats, how would you know what you're capable of?
Snowman
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I actually meant to bring this up. It's a very important point. Many coaches would argue that, once the level of strength necessary for proficiency in the sport is attained, the main benefit of getting stronger is to improve durability and injury resistence.
sizzlefuzz
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Yes, Travis Stevens (silver medal in 2016 in judo + BJJ black belt under John Danaher) says that he wants to feel "one weight class stronger" than he competes at, beyond that, the gains must be made on the technical side. I think hardstyle training with things like S&S, SFB skills, and A+A style sessions will get you there. Another example is multiple time BJJ world champion Leandro Lo who is known for his high intensity training where he primarily lifts weights everyday for the purpose of keeping his muscles and joints resilient as opposed to specific linear strength gains. Combine Lo's strength training with his penchant for rolling 10x10 minute rounds a day and there's your conditioning taken care of...
Kozushi
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The rules are just for tournaments. In the clubs we do what we want. Competition and training are two entirely different animals. Competitions are to prove who is better, and strict rules are needed for this unfortunately. In the club we're all getting better together, so we don't need anything but the most basic rules.BJJ = basically just judo, as people on Reddit say, I will say I love listening to interviews with elite judoka and their competition mindset. I guess I'm just sour on the judo ruleset & not allowing leg attacks
In my experience, ground fighting and standing fighting in judo are entirely different. I'm actually an old/odd breed of judoka who resembles BJJ more in that my focus was mostly on ground fighting. I'm trying now, long after attaining a black belt, which I consider to be principally a ground fighting black belt, to actually get truly "good" at standing fighting, and it is not easy at all. All the basic principles of ground fighting are pretty much the opposite in standing fighting, so it isn't easy.
There are some adjustments you'd have to make to your ground fighting style to adapt it to judo, but it would not take long. For instance, if you let go of the guy, he is going to stand up - so no "combat base" position, hahaha; you have to get out of ground holds or lose the match; you have to train to handle guys who won't allow you to keep them held down from side control or north south; taking the back doesn't count for any points. That's about it I think. I seek out skilled BJJ partners to train with to improve my ground fighting. They are excellent!
Self-defence wise, there is a lot to be said for developing skill in throwing people to the ground and avoiding the same, and a lot to be said for avoiding ground wresting if at all possible.
Kozushi
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I've done fencing for years and also kendo. For all the blah blah one reads on the internet about it being a bit fake, I doubt it. Not that any of us are going to fight anyone with swords, but fencing is clearly among the most deadly martial arts out there. I miss both of those combat activities very much.
Had to choose one because being a jack of all trades means you're a master of none, unfortunately.
Kozushi
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Not a reward but a restart. It isn't the same thing.
It's because if you gave penalties for "stalling" in the turtle position, judo would turn into a game of throwing people onto their knees or face and then just sitting on top of their turtle in order to win. That's all well and good if you're just interested in a game of outpositioning someone, but judo is about the throw - a hard throw that stuns the assailant, and so the rules have to fit this.
Kozushi
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I've hurt myself with weights but not seriously with judo. I've been doing it for almost exactly 30 years now.
Here is my advice: practice breakfalls over and over again, like a mad fiend. Also, when you start to do randori (judo fighting) - let yourself get thrown a lot and learn how to fall.
Laymen learn to crawl before they walk and walk before they run.
Judoka learn to fall before they throw and throw before they fight.
Here is more advice: when fighting or training always keep your feet at least shoulder width apart and don't ever ever cross them unless as part of the execution of a specific technique. It is very hard to throw you if your feet are always at least shoulder width apart (not splayed wide apart though except in some circumstances).
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