Off-Topic Erector pain from squats and deadlift [ Oly Weightlifting ]

[Mikeyboy]

Hi there!

I recently posted looking for advice about my training and I got multiple responses, seems like a very great forum!
I am giving it another shot with my injury aswell, looking for tips!

I hurt my left erector in an attempt on max lift in Clean and Jerk. I couldn't really feel it as it happent but 5-10 minutes after the lift it hurt like hell and I couldn't squat at all afterwards because it was such a pain in one side.

I decided to rest for 3 week ish by just doing other exercises which didn't put to much pressure on my back. 1 ½ years has passed now and I still have enormous pain when I perform the deadlift and sometimes the back squat, (especially with good form) you might think, "wait what?!" .. Yea, when I tension my back and lock my lats in as i deadlift, it feels great as I pull, but when I drop the bar or go down with it and release the pressure off my back, it's like someone stabs me with a knife everytime, but the actual lift doesn't hurt at all. The pain occurs mostly on heavier weight, 80%+.. Especially 95%+.. And I have to stop.

I have tried needles, 2-3x times. I have been to a chiropractor, I have gotten massages, I have laid on a ball for massage, Stretches.. Nothing works.

Any suggestions of what I can do, or what it cud be?

I'll attach a phot of where I feel the pain.

Thank you guys!!

 

[Chrisdavisjr]

Pretty much every time anyone asks for medical advice here the response is the same: You'll need to see a medical professional. We could give you ideas about what the problem might be, but we can't tell you what it is.

If you've already seen professionals and haven't gotten a satisfactory diagnosis, you may just have to keep trying. It's possible that a physiotherapist (especially one specialising in weightlifting etc.) would be a better choice than a general chiropractor.

Sorry this isn't much help but it sounds like something that really needs professional attention. Good luck!

 

[Mikeyboy]

Pretty much every time anyone asks for medical advice here the response is the same: You'll need to see a medical professional. We could give you ideas about what the problem might be, but we can't tell you what it is.

If you've already seen professionals and haven't gotten a satisfactory diagnosis, you may just have to keep trying. It's possible that a physiotherapist (especially one specialising in weightlifting etc.) would be a better choice than a general chiropractor.

Sorry this isn't much help but it sounds like something that really needs professional attention. Good luck!

I understand! I am just lookin if someone has experienced similar, so that I can get recommendations etc.. But yes.. I will try to find one.

Thank you!

 

[BennyWalks]

be aware of chiropractor dangers

Chiropractors can often make things worse mate. Very often their business model involves making people feel better in the short term, using a methodology that causes damage in the long term, possibly irreversably. So the customer thinks 'oh great he fixed my back,' then when the damage he caused results in pain later down the line, 'oh, better go back to that chiropractor who made me feel better last time.'

If your injury is (as many are) a matter of muscular dysfunction, it may be worth asking yourself, does it sound like a good idea to have somebody aggressively manipulate your bones?

Chiropractic Care: Attempting a Risk–Benefit Analysis 'a tentative risk–benefit analysis cannot produce a positive result. The conclusion must therefore be that, according to the evidence to date, chiropractic spinal manipulation does not demonstrably do more good than harm. In view of the incompleteness of our current knowledge and the popularity of chiropractic, research into this complex area should be intensified.'

'chiropractors controversy' is an interesting google.

I'm not saying chiropractors are not beneficial in some circumstances- I couldn't say.

a good sports physiotherapist
A good physiotherapist on the other hand, will generally aim to have you set for life by giving you a good understanding of the anatomical issues involved and healthy ways to address them.

hyperextension
Almost certainly you've addressed this already- but mentioning just in case- you've considered whether you're hyperextending / overarching your lower back when lifting? Sometimes people do this as a kind of overcompensation to avoid rounding their lower back. Even if that was the issue, with the injury having progressed this far it's best to see a good physio.

 

[Mikeyboy]

be aware of chiropractor dangers

Chiropractors can often make things worse mate. Very often their business model involves making people feel better in the short term, using a methodology that causes damage in the long term, possibly irreversably. So the customer thinks 'oh great he fixed my back,' then when the damage he caused results in pain later down the line, 'oh, better go back to that chiropractor who made me feel better last time.'

If your injury is (as many are) a matter of muscular dysfunction, it may be worth asking yourself, does it sound like a good idea to have somebody aggressively manipulate your bones?

Chiropractic Care: Attempting a Risk–Benefit Analysis 'a tentative risk–benefit analysis cannot produce a positive result. The conclusion must therefore be that, according to the evidence to date, chiropractic spinal manipulation does not demonstrably do more good than harm. In view of the incompleteness of our current knowledge and the popularity of chiropractic, research into this complex area should be intensified.'

'chiropractors controversy' is an interesting google.

I'm not saying chiropractors are not beneficial in some circumstances- I couldn't say.

a good sports physiotherapist
A good physiotherapist on the other hand, will generally aim to have you set for life by giving you a good understanding of the anatomical issues involved and healthy ways to address them.

hyperextension
Almost certainly you've addressed this already- but mentioning just in case- you've considered whether you're hyperextending / overarching your lower back when lifting? Sometimes people do this as a kind of overcompensation to avoid rounding their lower back. Even if that was the issue, with the injury having progressed this far it's best to see a good physio.

Hi, thanks for your reponse!

Interesting, I felt like a chiropractor gave me literally nothing. I can't speak for others howeever.

I will search a physiotherapist up and go from there I guess, if there's nothing else to do (myself).

You're right, I do maybe hyperextend because I tend to round my back alittlebit otherwise since my erectors are quite big compared to my body size, and it looks horrible.

The pain really occurs when I tension to much, (Especially when I tension my lats) but otherwise I wont lift safely?
Perhaps I shud relax my lats and just tension my lower back and try that from now on?

 

[Steve Freides]

@Mikeyboy, a bit of advice from one of your elders - the first thing you need is a firm medical diagnosis. I've acquired a few injuries along the way, and I continue to train, but I'm armed with a real medical diagnosis of what's going on, and also armed with enough knowledge of how our bodies move, and between those two things and a decent amount of training experience, I continue to make a go of it, with a big focus on improving, not just continuing to be able to train. Improving, in the short term, isn't necessarily going to mean being able to lift more.

I'm aiming to become stronger and more flexible in ways that - this is just my personal story here but I'm sure it applies to at least some other folks as well - attempt to deal with some of my imbalances, weaknesses, and other maladies so as to address the causes of what got me hurt in the first place and/or strengthen whatever I can around my injuries so as to be able to continue to lift safely.

The first goal has to be to continue to be healthy - everything else follows from that, and you can't pursue that goal without knowing exactly what's wrong with you in the opinion of medical professionals. That's why you have to start there - learn, then plan carefully, then execute your plan.

In other words, if it hurts, don't do that. Find out why it hurts, then come up with a plan for what's next.

-S-

 

[Mikeyboy]

@Mikeyboy, a bit of advice from one of your elders - the first thing you need is a firm medical diagnosis. I've acquired a few injuries along the way, and I continue to train, but I'm armed with a real medical diagnosis of what's going on, and also armed with enough knowledge of how our bodies move, and between those two things and a decent amount of training experience, I continue to make a go of it, with a big focus on improving, not just continuing to be able to train. Improving, in the short term, isn't necessarily going to mean being able to lift more.

I'm aiming to become stronger and more flexible in ways that - this is just my personal story here but I'm sure it applies to at least some other folks as well - attempt to deal with some of my imbalances, weaknesses, and other maladies so as to address the causes of what got me hurt in the first place and/or strengthen whatever I can around my injuries so as to be able to continue to lift safely.

The first goal has to be to continue to be healthy - everything else follows from that, and you can't pursue that goal without knowing exactly what's wrong with you in the opinion of medical professionals. That's why you have to start there - learn, then plan carefully, then execute your plan.

In other words, if it hurts, don't do that. Find out why it hurts, then come up with a plan for what's next.

-S-

Thank you Steve!
It started with a maxlift, stupid enough I went for it though I knew there was a chance I wouldn't make it.
I hurt myself and now it's haunting me, I will try to seek professional help, but staying away from Squats is hard.. I really love training.
You're right, i'm stupid for continuing, but I will try to find help.

 

[BennyWalks]

Keep a positive attitude mate. You can always switch focus a little bit while you get things sorted out eg. improve aerobic fitness.