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Other/Mixed Fixing bulging disc problems with flexion exercises?

Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)

Pasibrzuch

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It's been two years since a disc bulge that eliminated me from pursuing my Muay Thai goals.
During this time I focused on stiffening my core using Stuart McGill's approach. It helped only a tiny bit, so I visited a medical coach who paid attention to balancing out strenght disproportions in my limbs and stability in the frontal plane, which helped a lot. Hip-flexor work, strengthening my feet also had a place in that process. Working on running technique seems to expose some problems too and appears to be the ultimate corrective exercise.
Now I'm able to pursue my goals when it comes to lifting weights, but Muay Thai is still out of question. Kicks, be it roundhouse or teeps trigger off pain. Probably because of introducing instability and twisting in the lumbar.
Recently I found a yt channel which extrapolates the KneesOverToes/ATG approach (and marketing ;)) to back training.


According to this approach, if you manage to gradually strenghten the connective tissue it's supposed to bear all loads and protect discs - so quite contrary to what Stuart McGill says.
I also heard on the Tim Ferris podcasts with the guy from Christopher Sommer (Gymnastic Bodies) that he uses Jefferson Curl to rehab bulged disc.

My questions is - has anybody tried this approach and was successful? I'm far from fulfilled, but quite happy with the fact that I'm no longer in pain and don't want to risk it just for the sake of trying if another approach will make things better.
 
I am not a doctor & don't want to even try to give you direct advice. But something that has worked wonders for me is Heavy Club or Clubbell work. There is a lot of spine twisting. Almost every move involves twisting the spine. But it is in a controlled mannor and you work both sides evenly. So perhaps, with a light club (10 lbs) using 2 hands, you can begin to re-introduce mobility directly into your spine. Check out Mark Wildman online.
 
It's been two years since a disc bulge that eliminated me from pursuing my Muay Thai goals.
During this time I focused on stiffening my core using Stuart McGill's approach. It helped only a tiny bit, so I visited a medical coach who paid attention to balancing out strenght disproportions in my limbs and stability in the frontal plane, which helped a lot. Hip-flexor work, strengthening my feet also had a place in that process. Working on running technique seems to expose some problems too and appears to be the ultimate corrective exercise.
Now I'm able to pursue my goals when it comes to lifting weights, but Muay Thai is still out of question. Kicks, be it roundhouse or teeps trigger off pain. Probably because of introducing instability and twisting in the lumbar.
Recently I found a yt channel which extrapolates the KneesOverToes/ATG approach (and marketing ;)) to back training.


According to this approach, if you manage to gradually strenghten the connective tissue it's supposed to bear all loads and protect discs - so quite contrary to what Stuart McGill says.
I also heard on the Tim Ferris podcasts with the guy from Christopher Sommer (Gymnastic Bodies) that he uses Jefferson Curl to rehab bulged disc.

My questions is - has anybody tried this approach and was successful? I'm far from fulfilled, but quite happy with the fact that I'm no longer in pain and don't want to risk it just for the sake of trying if another approach will make things better.
 
I also heard on the Tim Ferris podcasts with the guy from Christopher Sommer (Gymnastic Bodies) that he uses Jefferson Curl to rehab bulged disc.
Back when I trained at the GB master affiliate in Denver (before they parted ways) I attended a GB seminar hosted by Coach Sommer. I met a number of people who experienced similar. In fact most of the success stories I encountered were of people healing by generally increasing mobility and flexibility.

That said….. I think it’s not necessarily something that will help everyone, everywhere. If you have a history of back injury/pain and you would like to try the flexion approach, I would suggest trying it very gently and progress very slowly. When we were first shown Jefferson curls it was with a 5lb plate on a PVC pipe.

The name of the game is gentle and slow progression. Think easy strength when approaching things like Jefferson curls.

Also, anecdotally, I absolutely LOVE Jefferson curls done with a Zercher grip. It opens up the back like nothing else I do.

Hopefully there will be some good studies on the exercise at some point. Until then, it’s just something you have to try (intelligently) and see how it goes for you.
 
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