Geoff Neupert "THE GIANT" ??

jake54

Level 5 Valued Member
I got the email, detailing this program. Seems to be a Clean and Press program (or multiple programs).

Anyone buy and care to give a quick comparison to KB Strong or other programs?

Thanks
 

John Grahill

Level 6 Valued Member
Having done both.....The "Giant" series is/are clean and press programs based on a 10 RM of either a single kettlebell or double kettlebell version. "Strong!" is exclusively a double kettlebell program wherein you start with your 4 to 5 RM.

The "Giant " series comes from "Kettlebell Express" which is a compilation of single kettlebell programs. I have done several and bounced the idea off Geoff of doing a "Double Giant" experiment i.e. doing the single bell Giant program with double bells...it worked well for me!

Got a lot of "Giant" work ahead of me but I'm thinking of a "Double King Sized Killer" down the road!
 

Mark Limbaga

Level 7 Valued Member
Elite Certified Instructor
Having done both.....The "Giant" series is/are clean and press programs based on a 10 RM of either a single kettlebell or double kettlebell version. "Strong!" is exclusively a double kettlebell program wherein you start with your 4 to 5 RM.

The "Giant " series comes from "Kettlebell Express" which is a compilation of single kettlebell programs. I have done several and bounced the idea off Geoff of doing a "Double Giant" experiment i.e. doing the single bell Giant program with double bells...it worked well for me!

Got a lot of "Giant" work ahead of me but I'm thinking of a "Double King Sized Killer" down the road!
You mean double king size combo :)

It's not for the faint of heart
 

Geoff Neupert

Level 6 Valued Member
Beast Tamer
I got the email, detailing this program. Seems to be a Clean and Press program (or multiple programs).

Anyone buy and care to give a quick comparison to KB Strong or other programs?

Thanks
@jake54,

I've received the same question via email.

Here's the answer:

The "Strong!" program is based off your 4-5RM. It's 3-phases: Strength (8 weeks), Hypertrophy/Work Capacity (there are 2 different programs here - 4-6 weeks & 16 weeks) and Fat Loss/Conditioning (5 weeks). It's designed for you to use the same size KBs all the way through.

"THE GIANT" is 5 different 4-week programs. 4 start with a 10RM. One with a 5RM. The 4x 10RM programs can be run as one continuous 16-week cycle, or multiple shorter cycles. The 5RM program could be used as a "starter" program similar to "Strong!".

The loading between "THE GIANT" and "Strong!" is much different. The 10RM loading is meant to provoke more of a strength and hypertrophy response right out of the gate as opposed to "Strong!"'s loading, which is pure strength for the first 8 weeks.

Hope that helps.
 

jake54

Level 5 Valued Member
Thanks
@jake54,

I've received the same question via email.

Here's the answer:

The "Strong!" program is based off your 4-5RM. It's 3-phases: Strength (8 weeks), Hypertrophy/Work Capacity (there are 2 different programs here - 4-6 weeks & 16 weeks) and Fat Loss/Conditioning (5 weeks). It's designed for you to use the same size KBs all the way through.

"THE GIANT" is 5 different 4-week programs. 4 start with a 10RM. One with a 5RM. The 4x 10RM programs can be run as one continuous 16-week cycle, or multiple shorter cycles. The 5RM program could be used as a "starter" program similar to "Strong!".

The loading between "THE GIANT" and "Strong!" is much different. The 10RM loading is meant to provoke more of a strength and hypertrophy response right out of the gate as opposed to "Strong!"'s loading, which is pure strength for the first 8 weeks.

Hope that helps.
Thanks for the info. I went ahead and bought it, looks solid. I like the timed workout format...a lot.

Gonna give it a run through. With double bells.
 

Provx

Level 4 Valued Member
@jake54,

I've received the same question via email.

Here's the answer:

The "Strong!" program is based off your 4-5RM. It's 3-phases: Strength (8 weeks), Hypertrophy/Work Capacity (there are 2 different programs here - 4-6 weeks & 16 weeks) and Fat Loss/Conditioning (5 weeks). It's designed for you to use the same size KBs all the way through.

"THE GIANT" is 5 different 4-week programs. 4 start with a 10RM. One with a 5RM. The 4x 10RM programs can be run as one continuous 16-week cycle, or multiple shorter cycles. The 5RM program could be used as a "starter" program similar to "Strong!".

The loading between "THE GIANT" and "Strong!" is much different. The 10RM loading is meant to provoke more of a strength and hypertrophy response right out of the gate as opposed to "Strong!"'s loading, which is pure strength for the first 8 weeks.

Hope that helps.
This may be a dumb question, but in the email you referenced jerks being the original soviet lift. Is there a reason you chose clean and press instead of clean and PP or clean and jerk? Is it simply a matter of taste?
 

John Grahill

Level 6 Valued Member
@jake54 , I've been having "fun" with it but my only humble advice....when Geoff Neupert says a 10 RM he means ten good reps! It's a density type protocol so when in doubt find a set of bells that leaves a rep ot two in the bank...... I had been doing low rep work (5 or less per set) for so long that finding a 10 RM wasn't as easy as I thought. I did the ladder version first to "ease" into higher rep work and the first week humbled the crap out of me! It has been quite effective though.
 

Geoff Neupert

Level 6 Valued Member
Beast Tamer
This may be a dumb question, but in the email you referenced jerks being the original soviet lift. Is there a reason you chose clean and press instead of clean and PP or clean and jerk? Is it simply a matter of taste?
@Provx ,

Yes, 2 reasons:
1. Most Americans can't Jerk. Poor shoulder mo-stability and poor t-spine mobility.
2. The Press requires the least coordination of the 3 overhead lifts.

If you can Jerk or Push Press, you can use either of those lifts, or all 3 for these programs.

For maximum benefit, start with a weight you can Jerk 10-12x, but not Push Press 10-12x. Roll through 1-3 of the programs, then retest your Jerk. Then test your Push Press. It should have moved up to the 10-12x range.

Then repeat the cycle with your Push Presses, using a slow/active negative to train the Press.

Then you *should* be ready to run it with your Press.

Hope that helps.
 

ShawnyUT

Level 6 Valued Member
@Provx ,

Yes, 2 reasons:
1. Most Americans can't Jerk. Poor shoulder mo-stability and poor t-spine mobility.
2. The Press requires the least coordination of the 3 overhead lifts.

If you can Jerk or Push Press, you can use either of those lifts, or all 3 for these programs.

For maximum benefit, start with a weight you can Jerk 10-12x, but not Push Press 10-12x. Roll through 1-3 of the programs, then retest your Jerk. Then test your Push Press. It should have moved up to the 10-12x range.

Then repeat the cycle with your Push Presses, using a slow/active negative to train the Press.

Then you *should* be ready to run it with your Press.

Hope that helps.
I like the sound of that.

Just purchased “The Giant.”

After my results from Drt Fighting Weight, I know that Geoff’s programs deliver results.
 

jake54

Level 5 Valued Member
@jake54 , I've been having "fun" with it but my only humble advice....when Geoff Neupert says a 10 RM he means ten good reps! It's a density type protocol so when in doubt find a set of bells that leaves a rep ot two in the bank...... I had been doing low rep work (5 or less per set) for so long that finding a 10 RM wasn't as easy as I thought. I did the ladder version first to "ease" into higher rep work and the first week humbled the crap out of me! It has been quite effective though.
Thanks, I was looking at it, and my ego wanted me to go with the 36 KG bells, although it isn't quite a 10 RM. I am going with the 32 KG which is def a solid 10 rm, and then use the 36 for 3.0 plan.
 

Provx

Level 4 Valued Member
@Provx ,

Yes, 2 reasons:
1. Most Americans can't Jerk. Poor shoulder mo-stability and poor t-spine mobility.
2. The Press requires the least coordination of the 3 overhead lifts.

If you can Jerk or Push Press, you can use either of those lifts, or all 3 for these programs.

For maximum benefit, start with a weight you can Jerk 10-12x, but not Push Press 10-12x. Roll through 1-3 of the programs, then retest your Jerk. Then test your Push Press. It should have moved up to the 10-12x range.

Then repeat the cycle with your Push Presses, using a slow/active negative to train the Press.

Then you *should* be ready to run it with your Press.

Hope that helps.
While im thinking about the subject of jerks, RMF is extremely effective, but also glycotic for me, and 12 weeks in a row of glycotic work is tough on my system. Seems like strongfirst if moving toward glycotic work in 4 week blocks or so.

Do you still recommend to run RMF for the whole 12 weeks? Maybe doing a non glycotic phase between each 4 week period of RMF? Also possible i am just doing the auto regulation poorly

thanks
 

Mark Limbaga

Level 7 Valued Member
Elite Certified Instructor
While im thinking about the subject of jerks, RMF is extremely effective, but also glycotic for me, and 12 weeks in a row of glycotic work is tough on my system. Seems like strongfirst if moving toward glycotic work in 4 week blocks or so.

Do you still recommend to run RMF for the whole 12 weeks? Maybe doing a non glycotic phase between each 4 week period of RMF? Also possible i am just doing the auto regulation poorly

thanks
You can always shift to more easy strength/AGT after an RMF cycle :)
 

Geoff Neupert

Level 6 Valued Member
Beast Tamer
While im thinking about the subject of jerks, RMF is extremely effective, but also glycotic for me, and 12 weeks in a row of glycotic work is tough on my system. Seems like strongfirst if moving toward glycotic work in 4 week blocks or so.

Do you still recommend to run RMF for the whole 12 weeks? Maybe doing a non glycotic phase between each 4 week period of RMF? Also possible i am just doing the auto regulation poorly

thanks
@Provx,
Yes I do.
Rest longer between sets if you need to.
Then, when you're done, move to an AGT program for 12+ weeks.

Hope that helps.
 
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