Peck'88
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I wonder what size of V-Bar they're referring to? The 2" would be ludicrous for this!!
Other/Mixed Grip - Carryover from Rolling Thunder to Barbell/Kettlebell
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Other strength modalities (e.g., Clubs), mixed strength modalities (e.g., combined kettlebell and barbell), other goals (flexibility)
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sizzlefuzz
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Pardon my ignorance, but what makes the rolling thunder so hard? Is it that it rolls to the weakest part of the grip? I've been trying to find a good video review where someone explains it but have failed so far.
manuelp22
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edit: I do just like @Tarzan said.
As an alternative I got a hold of a PVC pipe and cut it so that it was a little bit longer than my hand width.
If your pull-up bar has one-sided ends, this works similar to a rolling-thunder if the bar is bare metal.
If it is rubbery, it won't be the same, but the diameter will still be challenging.
But where this shines is if you have dumbbells
Then sliding the PVC pipe before adding the weights will create a DIY rolling thunder alternative.
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On grip strength for kettlebells, dumbbells and barbells.
Nothing beats this exercise for me:
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Or the dumbbell equivalent would be to load it as much as possible and deadlift it with one hand + hold.
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As an alternative I got a hold of a PVC pipe and cut it so that it was a little bit longer than my hand width.
If your pull-up bar has one-sided ends, this works similar to a rolling-thunder if the bar is bare metal.
If it is rubbery, it won't be the same, but the diameter will still be challenging.
But where this shines is if you have dumbbells
Then sliding the PVC pipe before adding the weights will create a DIY rolling thunder alternative.
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On grip strength for kettlebells, dumbbells and barbells.
Nothing beats this exercise for me:
8:40
Or the dumbbell equivalent would be to load it as much as possible and deadlift it with one hand + hold.
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manuelp22
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Your grip stops being neutral.
Normal grip:
Rolling Thunder grip:
It forces your hand into that awkward position, so it's much more challenging.
Tarzan
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That's it in a nutshell @manuelp22, if those images were rotated 90 deg either way it would accurately depict the mechanics of what happens when a lift fails with any device similar to these (deadlift or pullup).
They work the grip really hard but most of the time a failed lift happens because the wrist goes into extension and the bar slips through the grip.
For me these types of devices tax the wrist flexors more than muscles that flex the fingers.
Valuable training aids - yes
Suitable for high volume work - definitely not.
They work the grip really hard but most of the time a failed lift happens because the wrist goes into extension and the bar slips through the grip.
For me these types of devices tax the wrist flexors more than muscles that flex the fingers.
Valuable training aids - yes
Suitable for high volume work - definitely not.
JeffC
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@Tarzan If you read the thread Laine Snook, who pulls over 300lb, proposes 10 rep sets.
Grip - Carryover from Rolling Thunder to Barbell/Kettlebell
If you watch the best guys like Mark Felix, record holder and first to break 300lb, and Mike Burke, they set the handle as deep in the palm as they can get. Just like when we goose neck the wrist on a Kettlebell and the wrist inevitably straightens, but if you start straight the wrist may end up bent back.
I use the cue touch the thumb to the middle finger. Works for me on Axel, RT, and other Thick Grip work.
The wrist should be flexed and on heavy reps, when the wrist gives, the thumb may be strong enough to hold on. I am a good Pincher so I get heavy reps with thumb strength.
Grip - Carryover from Rolling Thunder to Barbell/Kettlebell
If you watch the best guys like Mark Felix, record holder and first to break 300lb, and Mike Burke, they set the handle as deep in the palm as they can get. Just like when we goose neck the wrist on a Kettlebell and the wrist inevitably straightens, but if you start straight the wrist may end up bent back.
I use the cue touch the thumb to the middle finger. Works for me on Axel, RT, and other Thick Grip work.
The wrist should be flexed and on heavy reps, when the wrist gives, the thumb may be strong enough to hold on. I am a good Pincher so I get heavy reps with thumb strength.
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Tarzan
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Yeah, I probably should have qualified what I said about volume. Grip training normally responds well to high rep training and this is no exception. Using them for straight arm lifts like the deadlift would be fine. I was thinking more of doing pullups with them.
They "rolling thunder type devices" increase the amount of tension going through the elbows when doing pullups with them, so it's not hard to injure an elbow if you go for too much volume.
JeffC
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@Tarzan I made a Wrist Wrench. I have been thinking about it for a while. I have been meaning to buy some 2" pipe and this gave me another reason.
It is a lot tougher than Rolling Thunder. I was not disappointed with how difficult I thought it would be. Wrist Wrench Pullup? I would like to see someone do those.
https://www.strongfirst.com/community/threads/fat-dads-gym.8898/page-26#post-153031
It is a lot tougher than Rolling Thunder. I was not disappointed with how difficult I thought it would be. Wrist Wrench Pullup? I would like to see someone do those.
https://www.strongfirst.com/community/threads/fat-dads-gym.8898/page-26#post-153031
Tarzan
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I imagine the wrist wrench would be quite a bit tougher for deads and pullups than a rolling device with a central pivot point.
I've been thinking of making a wrist wrench myself. I'm still not back up to par with my hand/wrist strength yet, I could only manage 3 reps of pullups (just bodyweight) on my fat bar with rolling sleeves today, so I'm thinking about making a set out of 1 1/2" pipe and sacrificing a set of cheap tie down straps to wrap around them.
Does the wrist wrench have a finish or coating that's conducive to a good grip ?
I only have gal pipe here and it's very slippery once your hands get a bit sweaty.
I've been thinking of making a wrist wrench myself. I'm still not back up to par with my hand/wrist strength yet, I could only manage 3 reps of pullups (just bodyweight) on my fat bar with rolling sleeves today, so I'm thinking about making a set out of 1 1/2" pipe and sacrificing a set of cheap tie down straps to wrap around them.
Does the wrist wrench have a finish or coating that's conducive to a good grip ?
I only have gal pipe here and it's very slippery once your hands get a bit sweaty.
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