Bodyweight Hardstyle abs - HLR - stall bars?

[Matt604]

Hardstyle abs -- probably my favorite Pavel book -- has a progression towards a full toes-to-bar HLR. The progression assumes that one does not have access to stall bars.

I understand that HLR with stall bars is typically harder than without, because the stall bars force your torso to stay upright and not lean back at the top. Fine, but in the book Pavel is shown doing some beautiful HLRs without stall bars and with minimal lean-back.

Here's my question: if one has access to stall bars, should one do HLRs on them, or should the stall bars be used only as a stepping-stone to non-stall bar HLR with no lean-back? My goal is just to work the anterior chain maximally, not to achieve any particular feat.

 

[305pelusa]

I'd start with the stall bars since the beginning.

Just fyi, while stall bars do prevent shoulders moving backwards, it is entirely possible to cheat on the stall bars by closing the shoulder angle. While they do have to close somewhat for a perfect HLR (toes under bar), effort should be to constantly minimize that. It's not foolproof I guess is what I'm saying hehe.

 

[pet']

Hello,

Here is a very interesting ab exercise, doable anywhere.

> You start on your back, with arm extented
> You go for an hollow position. Your feet do not have to get up. They have to touch the ground everytime
> You keep doing the move but avoid to bend too much. Arms always have to be "around" the head
> You end up the move by bending completly towards.
> You get down very slowly to start again.

The slower you go the better...and the harder to maintain heels in the ground. Go for only 3 - 5 reps (it is supposed to be hard enough to not exceed this number). Otherwise, slow it down again.

When it becomes too easy, a light dumbell can be used (as the pictures shows)

I incorporated this in my stretching. It works fantastic. Everything's "new" is in old books, right @Pavel Macek ?

Kind regards,

Pet'

 

[Steve Freides]

@Matt604, the HLR as shown in the book is the first thing to master. If you wish to try stall bars later, they are definitely harder, and a stall bar leg raise will be out of the reach of some people who can perform the movement on a regular pullup bar, and not the other way around. IOW, the bar HLR is a stepping stone to the stall bar version, not the other way around.

-S-

 

[pet']

Hello,

To echo @Steve Freides 's post, here is the link with the Karen Smith's tutorial about HLR: How to Train Your Way to Owning a Strict Hanging Leg Raise

Kind regeards,

Pet'

 

[305pelusa]

Darn talk about reviving an old thread 0_o

 

[Pavel Macek]

HLRs on a pullup bar, rings, stall bars - all good. Similar with pullups - various grips and various tools (pullup bar, parallel grip, rings) - all good. Specialised variety, same - but different.