Kettlebell Heavy swings

[Kenny Croxdale]

Hungarian Core Blaster solves the lack issue. $30 for the T-handle then stack on plates.

I have the Home Made Hungarian Core Blaster. It works great. Adjustable loading to what you want.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

PS: Who's Mike?

Woops. I don't know how I came up with that.

 

[Mark Limbaga]

What most can do..

Find your "strong enough" range

If swinging heavy is accepted by your body and it excites you then go for it and proceed with safety at all times..

I do agree that working towards sinister (even solid for some) is already specialization in itself.

 

[Hung]

During the quarantine, i did double bell swing, 72 kg total, reps range from 3 to 7, about 30-50 reps per seasons, 2-3 seasons a week for 3-4 weeks. If i use SnS probably i would use the 32, even the 25. Heavy swing is fine, as long as we do not use the SnS or QnD point of views

 

[Nate]

What most can do..

Find your "strong enough" range

If swinging heavy is accepted by your body and it excites you then go for it and proceed with safety at all times..

I do agree that working towards sinister (even solid for some) is already specialization in itself.

Nutrition first, then move well, then strong enough. From here people can stay put there for the long haul (plateau is eventually a PR) or specialuze in max strength, muscle, endurance, fat loss, skill, sport, etc.
Seem like a reasonable template for anyone figuring out A --> B without using generalizations?

 

[sizzlefuzz]

My rule of thumb:

>1/3 bodyweight, I use barbell cleans.

Yeah, I can 1H swing my 40 kg KB for reps, but I don't need to go that heavy if I'm trying to train power-endurance / conditioning.

And if I'm trying to train pure max power, 40 kg is too light compared to what I can do with barbell cleans.

Agreed, I would do the same if I had a barbell setup available... someday!

 

[masa]

Late Konstantin Konstantinovs used heavy swings (105 kg) as an assistant lifts for the deadlifts. So it wasn’t even his SPP. And he was 195 cm tall and deadlifted without problems. So both issues covered.

 

[Hung]

So I found "this guy" on the Internet doing one arm swing with 68 kg.

 

[watchnerd]

So I found "this guy" on the Internet doing one arm swing with 68 kg.

Personally, if that's all the ROM I could get out of a weight that heavy, I'd reduce the weight and get a full ROM, instead.

But we all train differently, and have different issues to deal with.

 

[Brett Jones]

If you are working with Double 32kg KBs then you are handling 64kg load—the answer about heavy swings is "it depends." IMO
And how are they programmed...so many variables.

 

[Kettlebelephant]

Just an example why your size and level of strength should determine how heavy you can go.
Senior SFG Tim Almond swinging a 80KG KB to shoulder height without any signs of strain or feeling uncomfortable...

 

[Mark Limbaga]

Gentlemen,

Let us conduct ourselves as students of strength first and foremost

Without any context, there will be no clear picture when it comes to heavy swings.

If the individual does not swing it chest height but the purpose is to use the movement to develop a stronger grip and to make their current bell feel lighter, then the reason is valid

For information purposes the gentleman in the video above one arm swinging a 68kg is master SFG Mark Reifkind

Hope this input adds more insight to the discussion

 

[Papa Georgio]

So I found "this guy" on the Internet doing one arm swing with 68 kg.

When I get the guts to try that and can actually get it any higher, I might comment. But it probably ain't gonna happen. Mark is pretty strong for his size.

 

[barrak]

I'll swing any weight, however heavy, if I can reach chest height and relax at the float as Brett Jones does here.



Force plate measurement from Science of the Swing

 

[pet']

Hello,

Well, for me, heavy is...40 ahah

Any Bolton also credits the "heavy swing" as an extremely potent tool to make his deadlift better (or maintain it to a certain extent)

Kettlebells and Deadlifting: A Match Made in Heaven? | StrongFirst

There are many excellent exercises with a kettlebell, but I have stuck to the two-hand swing. As an assistance exercise for deadlifting it is amazing.

www.strongfirst.com

Kind regards,

Pet'

 

[Hung]

Mark is pretty strong for his size.

and for his age and for all his injuries.

 

[Hung]

If the individual does not swing it chest height but the purpose is to use the movement to develop a stronger grip and to make their current bell feel lighter, then the reason is valid

For information purposes the gentleman in the video above one arm swinging a 68kg is master SFG Mark Reifkind

Hope this input adds more insight to the discussion

Yes, I know. I pick this clip on his blog (or his facebook, I don't really remember).

 

[Molson]

I recall Mark saying, on a different thread here, that he does not mind not being able to swing those heavy bells to chest level once he starts lifting them. It comes over time.

 

[watchnerd]

I recall Mark saying, on a different thread here, that he does not mind not being able to swing those heavy bells to chest level once he starts lifting them. It comes over time.

I'm sympathetic to that POV.

I don't swing something until I can clean it, and I clean it so that I can press it.

My rationale?

For me, KBs are primarily an upper body training and conditioning tool; I have barbells for heavy leg stuff.

 

[Molson]

I'm sympathetic to that POV.

I don't swing something until I can clean it, and I clean it so that I can press it.

My rationale?

KBs are primarily an upper body training and conditioning tool; I have barbells for heavy leg stuff.

That’s interesting. I don’t really question anything here on your side nor Riff’s, but I recall that his choice is the other way round. With all the mileage, he does overhead pressing with a BB and swings KBs for lower body, as that works best for his body.