Yes, the latter. Confused!Whoever stated this was either joking, or seriously confused!
What constitutes "cardio" and how is S&S not "cardio"? I thought it counted for cardio.
Okay. So, I should have been programming in regular walks and jogs alongside S&S for the years I did it and no judo alongside it. Okay, I see. Interestingly, I did tend to feel the need for walks and jogs, and I did them. So, maybe something inside me gave me the right instincts for it - like the hamsters choosing of their own volition to run on the hamster wheels: they know they need it.The ACSM Definition of Cardiovascular Exercise
"Any sport or activity that works large groups of muscles, is continually maintained and performed rhythmically, is defined as an aerobic, or cardiovascular, exercise by the American College of Sports Medicine."
Swings are usually not continually maintained for 20-30 minutes at a time. Therefore, many definitions look for steady state activity that raises the heart rate such as walking, swimming, jogging, cycling, skiing, rowing... etc.
My reason in asking the question is as to whether or not I still need to do "cardio" alongside the cardio of S&S, or is S&S is enough cardio.
oesn't this resemble an S&S workout though? :
Group III
Sports and activities such as volleyball, basketball and tennis are classified as Group II exercises. When doing Group III activities, your cardiovascular benefit will depend on how hard you work and how well you perform in these sports. For example, if you play tennis, when you practice more and improve your skills, you'll swing more at the ball with greater intensity. As you become better at the sport and put more energy into it, you'll burn more calories.
This almost seems like a case where the general public is misinterpreting the science. This "level III" cardio training sure sounds a lot like an S&S session (or judo session) to me - if tennis is one of their examples, you certainly are not constantly moving during a tennis match - lots of start and stop. But, since you are working hard when you're working, your heart beats harder than normal the whole time. In other words, S&S is actually superior level III cardio. The average Joe (who is a couch potato) thinks that "cardio" is just levels I and II cardio and forgets about level III.Here we get in the question of defining "need to" and "enough". If you are at risk for heart disease (family history, high triglycerides high blood pressure, etc... I'll stop now cause I'm already out of medical knowledge) then you'd want to make sure you're doing all you can.
If you're not really in area of concern medically, and I'm guessing you're not, then it's a matter of whether your training supports your life. If you feel like you're gassing out in your judo practice, you might want to build your aerobic base. But it doesn't sound like that's the case. My gut feeling is, your training is keeping you in good shape and well-rounded in both strength and conditioning, and that includes heart health.
Yes, I think so. If someone had a lot of health issues as mentioned above they might not want to rely upon this entirely, but that's best discussed with their doctor.
I probably was one of the people who stated that. Not joking. And not confused; seriously or otherwiseWhoever stated this was either joking, or seriously confused!
Good description. Thank you...Cardio and aerobic training are NOT the same, although many people mistakenly use them interchangeably. We all know that kettlebell training can be used to benefit the aerobic system, so there is no question there. Producing training adaptations for the heart (cardiac muscle) directly is not interchangeable with adaptations to the aerobic system.
For example, the most common protocol to increase the size of the left ventricle of the heart is 30-90 minutes of light continuous activity with the heart rate typically 120-150 BPM; this is commonly known as the "cardiac output method" of training. Keep in mind that athletes competing in endurance events like marathons or long cycling events will need MUCH longer duration than that.
This protocol is generally understood to work best when used with activities of little-to-no resistance, meaning it is hard to make a kettlebell work well for this protocol. One of the reasons for this is that achieving the desired stretching of the left ventricle of the heart is dependent on having sufficient blood flow into the ventricle, or "end-diastolic volume." If the heart is beating too fast then it doesn't have time to fill the ventricle sufficiently. Likewise, if there is too much resistance in the muscles, then the correlated vasoconstriction can result in reduced the blood flow back into the heart, again reducing the amount of stretch the ventricle gets.
This is why for the cardiac output method you typically need activities like walking, jogging, cycling, swimming, etc. for the method to work. The good news for you @Kozushi as a judoka is that you can likely use uchikomi for this. If you did 30+ min of uchikomi at low-to-medium intensity levels that should be sufficient.
Whoever stated this was either joking, or seriously confused!
It may all come down to semantics, definitions, individual perspectives, and training purposes. But most of us probably agree that swings are pretty darn good for you...