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Any thoughts on what Mark Rippetoe said that should be used for shoes? It kinda does make sense.
Yea I agree..... I been watching/listening to all the top power people for the past 2 weeks. I know his book must be real good and he has affected change in the community. I see the narrow mindedness as his weakness and it even got me hesitant to buy his book. Instead I got the Strong First:Foundations of Strength video. I really like the SFG community better as for more practicality in the exercises and movements. Also I am working on minimalist running."Lifting heavy weights is potentially damaging to a bare foot. You aren't supposed to lift bare footed."
Lifting heavy weights is also potentially damaging to the hands, elbows, shoulders, spine, hips, and knees. But the pros outweigh the cons.
That is a very vague statement. The thing is, Mark clearly knows his stuff with the barbell, but every opinion he has is "fact" when there is more than one way to do something.
If the sole doesn't compress, then its not even "absorbing" forces from your foot, which is exactly what you want! Yeah, it could come into play when you are pressing the limits of human ability, but this is purely a matter of whatever you feel like doing. The big benefit is that with the heel lift, you get to make up for some mobility issues in the squat. Why not address those issues and train them? Yeah, your numbers will go down, but if you aren't competing, its about the training effect, not the total weight. We try to make light weights heavier, right?
I remember seeing him in a discussion with Dan John, and in the conversation you couldn't come up with more polar opposite intellectual approaches to strength training. Dan John even tried to give Mark a gracious cue to open mindedness when he suggested that if Mark came across a more effective method to teach the squat in a group setting, he would use it. Mark just replied, "No, I wouldn't change the way I do things." And that clip plays in my mind any time I consider advice from Mark.
Seen it and had the same conclusion as you.I remember seeing him in a discussion with Dan John, and in the conversation you couldn't come up with more polar opposite intellectual approaches to strength training. Dan John even tried to give Mark a gracious cue to open mindedness when he suggested that if Mark came across a more effective method to teach the squat in a group setting, he would use it. Mark just replied, "No, I wouldn't change the way I do things." And that clip plays in my mind any time I consider advice from Mark.
I'm a big fan of my weightlifting shoes as well. I have the old VS Athletic shoes that looked like ugly bowling shoes, but they fit my wide-ish feet so I love them. VS has recently redesigned their shoes so they look better. I'm not objecting to Ripp recommending OL shoes in general as I think they are a good choice. My objection was to his general statement that lifting without shoes can damage the foot. He provides no evidence for this statement other than "because I said so." Human history would suggest the opposite. Our early ancestors walked barefoot or with very minimalist foot covering, yet they ran, hunted, and likely carried tools and weapons. While I'm sure that some cavemen may have developed foot issues, those who had to sit out for too long due to injury probably did not survive. There's a reason why flat feet are not that common.@MikeTheBear to be fair to rippitoe I believe he only recommends lifting shoes for squats from what I read.
Deadlift slippers are a common thing in powerlifting and if you look at how rippitoe teaches deadlifts the more vertical shin angle of slippers/barefoot/flats would suit this.
I love lifting shoes (own adipowers) for olympic lifts and barbell squats of all types but go socks, slippers or rebook crossfit lite for other things
I agree with your disagreement. To quote Yogi Berra, half the battle of Olympic lifting is 80% about getting into the proper positions. Anyone halfway serious about Olympic lifting is going to work on developing the mobility to get into the proper positions. This includes ankle mobility even if the athlete wears OL shoes with a raised heel. I found that the raised heel gave me a bit of extra stability in an overhead squat and front squat positions of the snatch and clean, respectively. Not to mention the huge benefit of being very solid and stable. OL shoes are not a crutch, they are proper equipment.I don't agree with @jca17's criticism of the shoe as primarily a means of compensating for mobility issues. Successful competitors in weightlifting are some of the most mobile athletes in the world (see below) and I'd wager they don't wear the shoes for no reason. Raising the heel of people with really tight ankles is definitely helpful for adequate squat movement, but for most people with at least average mobility I think it's the stability that a solid shoe provides that helps the most.