@Dekapon sorry for the rather harsh text, it is really nothing personal. Deamonizing single macronutrients/food groups was, is and will always be foolish and not helpful at all. It is all about the whole context. Why I don't tell personal examples? Well, because it is not too usefull. But speaking if myself, I eat around 2800-4000 kcal/day and oftentimes a good amount of those (~500-1000) come in the form of cereal+whole milk/biscuits/candy once I hit enough cals (~2600) with healthier foods. I am 1,94; ~92kg with visible abs and great blood values. Is that good for everybody. No, def not. It just works well for me. If I eat below 2600 I feel like a zombie. The comparison between an alcoholic and sugar simply is not valid. Alcoholism alters your brain physiology/biochemistry. Sugar does not. It is almost impossible not to eat sugar at all (even on a keto diet you will have some sucrose). And again, why would you (if not for brainwashed ideologic reasons)? Why not establish good habits and an healthy relationship to all foods, rather then dictatoric restrictions? On the other hand, avoiding alcohol completely is feasible (and necessary if you are a dry alcoholic). @kennycro@@aol.com what's your take on DEXA scans?