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My 14 year old son just started powerlifting this summer at his high school. I am interested in joining him because the iron game was a big part of my life from age 23-29. I trained as a natural recreational bodybuilder just for fun. My best lifts were 365 x 5 for squats,
405 x1 for deadlifts and 275 x 11 on bench. I’ve never powerlifted before but enjoy the big three lifts. Just looking for good advice as to how I should start because my son wants to train with me. I’m currently 5’9” at 176 lbs fwiw. Thanks for any good feedback I’m also committed to being lifetime natty and I’m 52 if that matters. I’ve been doing calisthenics for the past few years with solid strength gains. Thanks
 
There are a lot of good programs out there. I recommend you look up Pavel Tsatsouline's article on the Tim Ferriss blog about 5 x 5 - it's simple to understand and very straightforward to follow - the 3 powerlifts and nothing else.

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I started this thread years ago and received lots of good advice
 
275 x 11 on bench.
Impressive Bench Press

275 bs X 11 is impressive

Just looking for good advice as to how I should start because my son wants to train with me.

The Traditional Powerlift Program

The Traditional Method is to perform the Powerlifts in Training.

While this approach increases Maxium Strength, it does so at the expense in the Development of Technique.

That due to....

Muscle Fatigue

In the the Squat, Bench Press and Deadlift (any movement), as Muscle Fatigue Set in Technique is altered.

Once Technique is altered. it become a Different Exercise, working different muscle.

It is a differnt animal.

Technique Development

The optimal method of developing Technique is to set aside days devoted to it or to place it at the beginning of a Training Day.

Technique is developed with load of 85% of 1 Repetition Max or more for one or two Repetitions Per Set.

With a Novice, start out with something light for the Squat, Bench Press and Deadlift.

Once they demonstrated good Technique, increase the Training Percentage.

If their Technique falters with the increase load, determine what the "Weak Link In The Chain is" and find an Auxilary Exercise that targets it.

Also if Tenique falsters with the increase in loading, take it back down to where their Technique is performed correctly.

Developing Strnegth In The Powerlifter

This is accomplished with Auxiliary Exercises that are similar in nature (Movement Patter with the same Strength Curve).

Squat Auxiliary Examples

High Bar Squats, Front Squats, etc.

Bench Auxiliary Examples

Narrow Grip Flat Bench Press, Incline Press, Dips, etc

Deadlift Auxiliary Exercises

Good Mornings, Stiff Leg Deadlifts (Slight Break in Knees), etc.

Auxiliary Exercises need to be pushed to the limit at some point in a Periodization Training Plan or near to it. With 14 year old, back off a little on that.

The Westside Powerlifting Method

This method's focus is on the above; Technique Training for the Powerlifts and Auxiliary Exercises as a means of increasing Strength in the Powerlifts.

Dr Tom McLaughlin's Reseach

At approximately the same time as Westside came out, McLaughlin (Exercise Biomechanics/Former Powerlifter) arrived at the same conclusion; Technique for the Powerlift Movements and Auxiliary Exercise as a means of increasing Strength in them.'

This drills down more into it,,,


Transfer Between Lifts: Increased Strength in Untrained Exercises
Strength and Conditioning Journal. 44(3):101-106, June 2022.

Zachary Mang, PhD,1 Len Kravitz, PhD, CSCS,1 and Jason Beam, PhD2,3

This reasearch article substantiates McLaughlin's research and the Westside Powerlifting Protocol.


ABSTRACT

The principle of specificity confers that physiological adaptations to exercise reflect the specific stimuli applied during an exercise training program. When applied to resistance training (RT), the principle of specificity implies that the acquisition of strength, which is often measured as a 1 repetition maximum, is specific to several variables of an RT program such as intensity, contraction type, and motor pattern. Although the principle of specificity holds true, a phenomenon called “transfer” also occurs when a lifter increases their strength in an exercise that they did not train. For example, if a lifter performed lunges in lieu of back squat, but their back squat strength increased anyway, there would be transfer between the lunge and back squat. This column summarizes recent research that reported transfer between bilateral exercises, unilateral to bilateral exercises, and single-joint to multiple-joint exercises and provides several recommendations for practical applications along the way.

,,,Multi Joint exercises were a more efficient option for increasing maximal strength...

...They compared the effect of kettlebell swings to explosive DL (maximal effort with 30% of 1RM) in resistance-trained men (.1 year). After 4 weeks, both groups significantly increased their maximal DL strength.

..."It is notable that merely 8 sessions of kettlebell swing increased DL 1RM by 8 kg, meaning that SCSs (Strength and Conditioning Specialist) can cycle through both exercises and prescribe training blocks that use kettlebell swings as a primary hip hinge pattern (14)
 
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Thanks. I was strictly training for hypertrophy back then hence the higher reps. I also weighed 195 at probably 15 percent body fat. My son is loving powerlifting so I want to give it a go as well. My ultimate goal is to use powerlifting to help instill discipline and confidence in my son as we grow while competing locally and just see what I’m capable of while just having fun. Thanks for all the good feedback
 
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My 14 year old son just started powerlifting this summer at his high school. I am interested in joining him because the iron game was a big part of my life from age 23-29. I trained as a natural recreational bodybuilder just for fun. My best lifts were 365 x 5 for squats,
405 x1 for deadlifts and 275 x 11 on bench. I’ve never powerlifted before but enjoy the big three lifts. Just looking for good advice as to how I should start because my son wants to train with me. I’m currently 5’9” at 176 lbs fwiw. Thanks for any good feedback I’m also committed to being lifetime natty and I’m 52 if that matters. I’ve been doing calisthenics for the past few years with solid strength gains. Thanks
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Well, me and my 14 year old son are 1-1/2
weeks into our powerlifting journey. We’ve had 2 bench days with accessories of incline dumbbell press and overhead single dumbbell extensions. We also did some complimentary close grip bench. We’ve had 2 deadlift days as well with good mornings and RDL’s for accessories. We had one squat day so far and we’re scheduled to train that lift again Monday. On the 3 big lifts were programming a 5x5 set/rep scheme pyramiding up in weight each set but nowhere near failure or a 1rm. all accessories have been done 3x10 so far just short of failure using a pyramiding weight selection. How does this programming look? We made 10 pound jumps each session so far on the main lifts although we could make bigger jumps as we’re both relative powerlifting noobs. I can see our strength increasing steadily already. I have a grip question. My son uses an alternate grip for deadlifts but I’ve been using a double overhand grip with no issues but our gym doesn’t allow chalk. I can see grip becoming an issue in a month or so. Should we start working on learning hook grip? the best way to learn it? how would you guys approach training grip strength? Thanks for sharing your thoughts
 
Well, me and my 14 year old son are 1-1/2
weeks into our powerlifting journey. We’ve had 2 bench days with accessories of incline dumbbell press and overhead single dumbbell extensions. We also did some complimentary close grip bench. We’ve had 2 deadlift days as well with good mornings and RDL’s for accessories. We had one squat day so far and we’re scheduled to train that lift again Monday. On the 3 big lifts were programming a 5x5 set/rep scheme pyramiding up in weight each set but nowhere near failure or a 1rm. all accessories have been done 3x10 so far just short of failure using a pyramiding weight selection. How does this programming look? We made 10 pound jumps each session so far on the main lifts although we could make bigger jumps as we’re both relative powerlifting noobs. I can see our strength increasing steadily already. I have a grip question. My son uses an alternate grip for deadlifts but I’ve been using a double overhand grip with no issues but our gym doesn’t allow chalk. I can see grip becoming an issue in a month or so. Should we start working on learning hook grip? the best way to learn it? how would you guys approach training grip strength? Thanks for sharing your thoughts

I think hook grip can be good, but for me my hands are just too small and I can’t adequately grip it so I stick with double overhand as heavy as I can go and alternate grip for everything above around 260lbs.

I’m not sure the best way to train grip strength for deadlift, but more double overhand deadlifting seems to help. A year ago I topped out a set of 5 at 230 and now I can manage 255-260 for a set of 5 so grip has definitely improved.
 
we’re only at 225 for our 5th working set as of now but I see myself pulling 275 for 5 in a few months. I haven’t tried the hook grip yet. I just watched YouTube tutorials. My hands are glove size large. I’m 5’9” and my 14 year old son is 5’10”
already. He has some West Virginia giant tree genes from his moms side. Our hands are the same size although mine are fatter because I worked as a diesel technician for many years. Thanks
 
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we’re only at 225 for our 5th working set as of now but I see myself pulling 275 for 5 in a few months. I haven’t tried the hook grip yet. I just watched YouTube tutorials. My hands are glove size large. I’m 5’9” and my 14 year old son is 5’10”
already. He has some West Virginia giant tree genes from his moms side. Our hands are the same size although mine are fatter because I worked as a diesel technician for many years. Thanks
Give hook grip a chance and see if you can use it. It will hurt no doubt, but I use a glove size medium and if I didn’t have fat fingers could probably use a small so my fingers just aren’t long enough to grab over my thumb. I can partially get my pointer finger on my thumb nail but that’s about it. So in addition to feeling like my thumb is getting ripped off, I still don’t have a secure grip.
 
Thanks. Right now the double overhand is serving me well because the poundage is light. I heard the hook grip can be painful but my fingers easily cover my thumb when gripping an Olympic size bar and we definitely don’t want to use straps except for some accessory exercises. I think the hook grip is worth the effort of learning no doubt
 
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I haven't tried it yet but some people really love the hook grip. I use a mixed grip with a focus on keeping the elbows straight (especially on the supinated side) and I alternate which hand faces forward on each set in order to avoid any avoidable imbalances.

In terms of programs, there are definitely countless ones available. Free, paid, generic, and personalized. I personally prefer the variable overload approach (Plan Strong) versus the progressive overload (like 5/3/1). Variable just works better for me.

I would definitely recommend you find a good coach. You have experience, but it's always good to get eyes on your form from time to time.
 
I agree. Just can’t afford a private coach now. His tuition is enough
My son is my coach as of now. He just finished a powerlifting program at his high school taught
by a prestigious strength/football coach. He video taped his sessions with his iPhone. They learned proper form starting with a broomstick and he progressed to pulling 275 for a single the last week of the program. He’s super knowledgeable now about the main lifts, all accessories and programming to go along with the knowledge base I know. We have a deadlift day Wednesday so I think we’ll start working on the hookgrip then. Thanks
 
A mixed grip makes a huge difference in how much you can hold. If you haven't tried it, you should with a medium-heavy weight just to see.

All of this I write from here on out are not things to be concerned with too much now but later on after you've been training for at least a few months --> I would generally recommend you stick with pronated (overhand) grip for your light work and then switch to a mixed grip later in workouts when grip starts to be an issue. Alternating your mixed grip on sets is something to consider as well later on if you have any concerns about the bar helicoptering on you, or just to even out stress on the bicep, etc.
 
Excellent information. Thanks for sharing your wisdom. I feel I have a ways to go before my double overhand grip is the limiting factor. I’m going that route. My son was already taught mixed grip and loves it .
I get him to do double overhand on accessories though but I will get him to rotate on pulls from now on as well.
Thanks
 
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