Question about Total Tension Kettlebell Complex

Discussion in 'Kettlebell' started by Jake Butcher, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Jake Butcher

    Jake Butcher My Third Post

    I have a question in regards to the Total Tension Kettlebell Complex (Total Tension Kettlebell Complex | StrongFirst).

    1. I started this program using kettlebells I can press more then the recommended 6-8 times (I underestimated when I ordered them and dont have access to any other ones). The first Press pyramid workout I worked up to 8 reps, so they're a bit light. Do you think this will present a problem to the effectiveness of the program?

    2. After the Squat workout, Pavel recommends a snatch test. The bells I have are a littke to heavy for snatches. Do you think it would be ok to replace the snatch test with a clean test? Again, these are the only set I have to work with.

    Thank you if anybody is able to respond.
     
  2. Mark Limbaga

    Mark Limbaga Quadruple-Digit Post Count Certified Instructor

    1. How long did you rest between rungs?

    2. Define your goal
     
  3. Tjerr

    Tjerr Double-Digit Post Count Certified Instructor

    1. Yes, so I´ll suggest to do S&S instead of TT. Pavel himself said the Renegade Row should be at least 32. So IMHO S&S will the better program for you.
    2. I'll recommend a swing test, maybe two handed in the beginning, or single hands, still 100 reps.
     
  4. Jake Butcher

    Jake Butcher My Third Post

    Hypertrophy, conditioning
     
  5. BrianCF

    BrianCF Triple-Digit Post Count

    I've run TTC I don't agree with this at all.

    What does S+S have to do with renegade rows? Seriously.

    OP, instead of running that program, if you feel it's too light. you can still get good volume in with the bells you have.

    Try this as a complex

    Press
    Squat
    Double Row
    Do ladders of 2,3,5,10 . 3 rungs will do the trick.

    Finish with 10 x 10 double swings. For building up your snatch, do one handed swings and high pulls and practice the snatch. If you can do a few at a time, do that.
     
  6. Marc

    Marc More than 500 posts

  7. Tjerr

    Tjerr Double-Digit Post Count Certified Instructor

    The Renegade Row has nothing to do with Simple & Sinister. It only states that it needs to be heavy. But this article highlights the best way to work with the StrongFirst methodology.

    Things Are Going So Well, Help Me Screw It Up, Part 2 | StrongFirst

    TTC is a highly technical workout, preferebly done after Sinister goal. @Jake Butcher already can press for 8 times, general recommendation are sets of 5 the increase strength (around 70-85% of your one rep). Presses are, for most people, the hardest part of the workout relative to Squats, Cleans and Rows. So I pressume that the squats and cleans are easy as well. Since the bells are to heavy to work with Snatches, Swings are better. I don't recommend High Pulls because it's easy to pull the bell with your elbows and not initiated by the shoulder blades, which antagonizes the elbows.

    I recommend that first the Simple goal is achieved before going to TTC. You can learn so much from daily doses of Swings and Get-up's.

    This wasn't clear when I posted the former message. For Hyperthrophy sets should be somewhere between 8 and 12. But the problem with easier bells is, that you can press from 'only' the arm, and not to create full body tension as with heavier bells.

    Why not just a Hyperthrophy program like:
    • 5 x 1 + 1 Get Up

    3 Rounds of the following Complex
    • 8 reps Double Press
    • 8 reps Double Clean
    • 8 reps Front Squat
    • 8 reps Staggered Row (or try to work on snatches)
    • 10 x 10 Swings. Maybe build up to 12 reps. Al the exercises from the StrongFirst SFG 1 curriculum.
    Or a Geoff Neupert Style Workout:
    • 30 seconds of max (quality) reps Double Press
    • 30 seconds Double Cleans
    • 30 seconds Front Squats
    • 30 seconds Bent Over Rows (or again, practice snatches)

    Week 1: 3 sets, Rest 1:2
    Week 2: 4 sets, Rest 1:2
    Week 3: 5 sets, Rest 1:2
    Week 4: 3 sets, Rest 1:1
    Week 5: 4 sets, Rest 1:1
    Week 6: 5 sets, Rest 1:1

    To quote @Pavel Macek, You can cut a steak with a spoon, but it not the best tool for the job.

    But I still recommend Simple Goal first :)
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2019
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  8. BrianCF

    BrianCF Triple-Digit Post Count

    Marc,
    You could set up the pressing days waving the ladder.. 2,3,5 easy day, 2,3,5,6 medium, 2,3,5,10 heavy. He said he could handle the weights more than 8 times and is looking for hypertrophy.

    German Volume training which is a hypertrophy program is 10 x 10. I wouldn't recommend that though.

    Tierr, I do like your complexes at the end. I'm personally not a fan of renegade rows. I see their benefit have done them, I just worry about the bell coming out from underneath me. Unless you have bells with flat wide bottoms, it can be a little bit dangerous. I'd rather take an 88 and just do rows with that. I did do the program as described.

    In regard to building a foundation, I started on kettlebells 10 years ago doing doubles with 25 lb. Yes, my cleans were a mess and I taught myself the getup. It was an article out of the Art of Manliness. Then I did a 12 week program from Marcus Martinez and then I got Dave Whitley's 101 kettlebell workouts. Do I think S + S builds a foundation, yes, but it's not the only way.
     
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  9. Jake Butcher

    Jake Butcher My Third Post

    Thank you for your replies this is very helpful information.
     

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