I am curious about the clean and jerk vs double KB press, vs push press.
Apart from the difficulty of timing it well, is it the fact that the clean and jerk is designed to allow for use of greater weight than even the push press that makes it so difficult? Is the use of leg drive reducing the use of shoulders resulting in much more potential volume due to less work done by the shoulders? If someone who was fairly experienced with kettelbells did a clean and press vs clean and jerk with the same pair of bells, say a pair of 20s or 24s, what would the expected difference in volume be in a 20 min workout? Let's assume hardstyle where the bells can be set down.
If someone did KB strong with a 5RM max, how much heavier would one expect the bells to be used in a clean and jerk program, assuming they get the basic technique down?
Next, what level of proficiency should one attain in double KB clean and press before attempting to learn the clean and jerk (say for a 80kg man of average height with a sedentary academic job in his 50s?) Is it similar to the diminishing returns on the swing vs snatch after an intermediate level or is it a whole order of magnitude more difficult? I see it is part of SFG 2 but both Pavel in his recent program and Jon Engum in an article recommended Clean and Jerk for martial artists.
Thinking of my long-term goals here. Still have plenty of work to do with the Giant and complexes before attempting the clean and jerk. Working on the snatch and TSC prep now. I have only had a few lessons from a KB sport coach on the clean and jerk, so the volume was too low for me to be able to compare. It was all practice and drills.
