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Bodyweight Stop Doing Squats?

Stephen B.

Level 5 Valued Member
I think he makes great points about the difference between plyometrics and lifting, among other distinctions.

But I think he lacks similar distinctions when he basically says you shouldn't squat heavy until you can hold a horse stance for minutes on end. I see them as completely different types of training. Squats will be mostly fast twitch, extreme isometrics will be mostly slow twitch. I don't see either contributing much to each other, apart from basic mobility. Though I don't think full ROM is necessary to benefit from squats.

I'm guessing his athletes train for more gymnastics, parkour, and calisthenics type sports. Extreme isometrics and high rep squat jumps could be beneficial to endurance training, like it is in wrestling. But overall, the most reputable strength and conditioning I've seen, from Strongfirst, Garage Strength, and Get Physical, all emphasize the heavy barbell lifts and the need to get strong first.
 

John K

Level 7 Valued Member
Certified Instructor
Haven't watched it either, I might try to tomorrow if I have time.

But I already think its stupid clickbait and not worth my time.

Unfortunately, much like the horror movie I know is going to be dumb, I still have to see how the trainwreck unfolds ...

What's with everyone making all these clickbait rules lately? Whatever happened to teaching people how to do something they want to do?
 

watchnerd

Level 8 Valued Member
I see them as completely different types of training.

That was my immediate critique.

In college, I did kenpo karate as a 1 unit elective for 4 quarters. So lots and lots of horse stance.

At the same time, I could either be in season for field sports or rowing, or off season and just doing the weight room.

I can't say I saw any carry over from horse stance to anything related to my squat.

Rowing, on the other hand.....yes.

In both directions -- leg endurance from rowing carried over to karate in a generalized way.
 

watchnerd

Level 8 Valued Member
What if we stopped feeding them?

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bluejeff

Level 6 Valued Member
I got as far as “only after the student has perfect biomechanics…” then I turned it off. Might retry tomorrow morning.

Two cents as of now: as someone who trained a LOT of horse stance in my youth, it has little to do with squat mechanics.

I also feel a bit like I got teleported here from the powerlifting/weightlifting thread….
 

silveraw

Level 7 Valued Member
I’m only a couple minutes in…

…I get the impression this guy sells a movement certification program.

Edit: holy cow. This guy is teaching an decade old meme lift from Reddit! The pistol box jump with a press, called the yoth-sarcasmo press. Glenn Pendelay said “that isn’t something I would ever have my athletes do” and Jamie Lewis called “the stupidest s*** I’ve ever seen”
Naturally I was all about it in my 20s.
Good stuff. Thanks for the chuckle.
 
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Steve Freides

Staff
Elite Certified Instructor
@watchnerd, I think it's all to easy to overlook a middle ground in this kind of debate. I recommend being able to move into a lot of different positions but not feeling the need to load them all with weight.

E.g., for a long time, my personal program minimum was one-arm kettlebell military presses and two-handed barbell deadlifts. I squatted, but just deep bodyweight and cossack squats, both as part of stretching or warming up or whatever have you, not as weight lifting. Looking back on those years, I think it served me very well and would do the same for most people. Add in some walking - what I did - or jogging/cycling/swimming and I think it's a simple formula that addresses a lot.

-S-
 

Ryan T

Level 6 Valued Member
Certified Instructor
I’m only a couple minutes in…

…I get the impression this guy sells a movement certification program.

Edit: holy cow. This guy is teaching an decade old meme lift from Reddit! The pistol box jump with a press, called the yoth-sarcasmo press. Glenn Pendelay said “that isn’t something I would ever have my athletes do” and Jamie Lewis called “the stupidest s*** I’ve ever seen”
Naturally I was all about it in my 20s.
Good stuff. Thanks for the chuckle.
Looks like a great way to get hurt.
 

TimothyGander

Level 5 Valued Member
Does the horse stance have a carryover to absolutely anything besides staying in the horse stance a long time? It's also funny how he cautions about how much mobility you need to squat, yet seems to assume any untrained person can just raise and hold their arms overhead without any issues.
 

the hansenator

Level 6 Valued Member
Does the horse stance have a carryover to absolutely anything besides staying in the horse stance a long time? It's also funny how he cautions about how much mobility you need to squat, yet seems to assume any untrained person can just raise and hold their arms overhead without any issues.

This guy credits working up to a 12 minute horse stance with PRs in running, cycling, sprinting, and vertical jump, increased leg endurance during hikes and improved lower body mobility.

 

Pete L

Level 5 Valued Member
Does the horse stance have a carryover to absolutely anything besides staying in the horse stance a long time? It's also funny how he cautions about how much mobility you need to squat, yet seems to assume any untrained person can just raise and hold their arms overhead without any issues.
It carries over to a close attacking stance which requires all the weight on a bent rear leg.
 

Dr. Matt Longfellow

Level 6 Valued Member
Certified Instructor
Didn’t watch the video, but as a PT who works with people every day with mobility issues who are afraid to train, this kind of thing frustrates me.

So many people are already afraid to move and train, when really all they need is to start moving more in ways that feel good and then follow logical progressions to train safely.

Instead of wasting valuable training time that’s only going to make you really good at horse stance, just follow a logical squat progression if you have issues and work on complementary mobility stuff along the way.

Goblet squat > DFSq > Zercher/Front Squat > etc.
 

silveraw

Level 7 Valued Member
Does the horse stance have a carryover to absolutely anything besides staying in the horse stance a long time? It's also funny how he cautions about how much mobility you need to squat, yet seems to assume any untrained person can just raise and hold their arms overhead without any issues.
I've seen it used as a progression into the splits... But I've never been able to do the splits even after spending an inordinate amount of time in horse stance in my youth.
 
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