strength "prerequisite" for approaching 100 snatch challenge?

Discussion in 'Kettlebell' started by dmaxashman, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. dmaxashman

    dmaxashman Strong Presence

    I'm 160 lbs. Is there any base strength levels I should meet on say TGU, swings, dl, squat, etc, before I try the 100 24kg snatches in 10 min challenge? Thanks!
     
  2. Mark Limbaga

    Mark Limbaga Experienced and Respected on the Forum Certified Instructor

    Have you worked up do doing simple and sinister with a 32kg?
     
  3. dmaxashman

    dmaxashman Strong Presence

    no. that is a required prerequisite?
     
  4. damogari

    damogari Experienced and Respected on the Forum

    I believe that achieving Simple goal from Simple & Sinister is a good base for passing snatch test.

    I think that prerequisite for snatch test will definitely be a good snatching technique. If your snatch is good then you can do the test and see where you are, you can be surprised about the score :)
     
  5. jef

    jef SFG1 Certified Instructor

    I knew the snatch test (100 in 5 min), and the SSST (200 in 10 min), not the snatch challenge (100 in 10 min).

    To do 100 snatches with a 24kg in 10 min, which can be done 5+5 EMOM, I would recommand :
    - check the lockout (hence comfortably GU and/or press a 24kg)
    - comfortably swing 1-handed a heavier kettlebell (like 32kg for 100 reps)
    - have good snatch technique (practice with 16kg)

    Now, for the snatch test or the SSST, that's a different story...
     
  6. taikei

    taikei Strong Presence Certified Instructor

    There's no exchange rate between 100 or 200 snathes to swing and getup .

    However I do recall doing at least 30 snatch per side consecutively and 5 getups per side with confidence got me to that level . Military press with 24kg and double swings formed base strength.
     
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  7. Marlon Leon

    Marlon Leon Strong Presence

    Denis Kanygin recommended to be able to do 20 presses. So in your case to press the 24 20 times. Certainly shows a good amount of strength.
     
  8. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Forum Administrator Staff Member Senior Instructor

    No, there is no prerequisite, but ...

    Are you asking about trying the challenge itself or beginning training for the challenge?

    Are you sure you got the challenge's parameters right? It's usually 100 snatches in 5 minutes, not 10, or 200 snatches in 10 minutes.

    What kind of kettlebell snatching have you done to date?

    Are you healthy or injured and, if the latter, how?

    Having asked those questions, you ask about a base level of strength - it's good if you are comfortable with your challenge weight over your head. Can you put a 24 kg overhead by some other means, e.g., a jerk or push press or strict press, and go for a walk with it? While not a traditional strength test, it's a measure of supporting strength and, since you'll be supporting the 24 kg overhead on all your reps, it's a nice thing to be able to do and to perform in your training sometimes, perhaps even regularly.

    -S-
     
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  9. pet'

    pet' More than 2,000 posts

    Hello,

    I would go for achieving Simple first. I noticed that reaching heavier than Simple, for instance the swings @40 make the snatch test far easier. For instance, I passed the test with a bit less 5 minutes without never training especially for it.

    Kind regards,

    Pet'
     
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  10. dmaxashman

    dmaxashman Strong Presence

    sorry i mispook, i meant 5 min test
     
  11. nickd

    nickd New to StrongFirst Forum

    I have wondered about the similarities between simple and 100 24kg snatches in 5 mins for a while now. I acieved both standards at about the same time a few years ago and found that I am about as gassed or strained by them equally. However as my snatching skills have improved the snatch test has become "easier" for me even when I am relatively out of shape.

    Personally I would suggest working towards simple for strength and conditioning while practicing snatching as a skill on lighter days or as part of your warm up. This worked well for me and goes along with some the advice given by those above.
     
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  12. Steve Freides

    Steve Freides Forum Administrator Staff Member Senior Instructor

    @nickd, welcome to he StrongFirst forum!

    -S-
     
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  13. Pavel Macek

    Pavel Macek More than 1,000 posts Senior Instructor

    I would suggest following order:

    - own "Simple". And I mean really own.
    - learn snatch form an SFG. Practice and perfect the form. Snatch is very technical lift - I just started snatching recently, and just after few sessions, I have a page of notes/aha moments/discoveries (and I have learned the lift more than 10 years ago).
    - jump on @aciampa 's A+A protocol, and develop a Strong Endurance. Be patient, think long term.
    - and then just do it.
     
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  14. Pavel Macek

    Pavel Macek More than 1,000 posts Senior Instructor

    Actually that was one of my tests when I reached "Sinister" in the swings (100 one-arm swings with the 48 kg in 5 minutes) - I did the 5 mins snatch test. It wasn't difficult, I had huge strength reserve, but is wasn't a walk in the park either, as my snatch technique is suboptimal (I haven't been snatching all for a long, long time). I know that if I would spent few sessions or reviewing/perfecting the snatch technique, it would be much much easier. One of the best strategies for owning the snatch test is imho perfecting the technique of the snatch.
     
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  16. Anna C

    Anna C More than 2,000 posts Certified Instructor

    IMO, the only prerequisite to TRYING a 5-minute snatch test is common sense. If you want to give it a try, go for it. See what you can do. Just don't hurt yourself... bad form, tearing up the hands, letting loose of the kettlebell, etc.

    The first attempt won't be pretty, but it's always good to get a baseline. If you wait to do it when you're perfectly ready for it, your improvements will be less dramatic. So count how many reps you can do in 5 minutes, and make sure to write it down somewhere. And I highly recommend video, too... not only because we seem to lose the ability to count under duress, but also you can see things that you do when you start to get fatigued that will really help you target your training towards improvement in those areas.
     
  17. Peck'88

    Peck'88 Strong Presence

    Do the Snatch, do a lot of Snatches, and do them correctly, but pace yourself. 100 in 5 minutes is 20/min=disaster for someone who hasn't snatched a lot. I love Snatch!
     

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