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has anyone else seen this? I spent some time flicking through it and really like it. Just wondered what others might think...
I'm not too worried about it. This isn't the Olympics and I seriously doubt your average Joe will have the flexibility to do a "standing bench press" like the Russians did before the press was banned. If anyone can, I say go ahead, they deserve to win if they're willing to screw up their back.Not to sure I'm keen on the slight dip allowed on the press, very hard not to but like anything it's a slippery slope
I think I see what you mean. So they guy at 2:54:52 "hovered" the bar slightly above his shoulders, let the bar dip to touch his upper chest, then pressed. I agree that this should not be allowed. But I'd be all for allowing the Olympic press.
Interesting that this is how he teaches the press. Based on this, I officially do not perform any of the three lifts - squat, press, deadlift - the way SS teaches.As for the "dip", what is legal in StrengthLifting is what is described in "Starting Strength Basic Barbell Training" 3rd Edition in the Press chapter. Described as "Press 2.0", the downward/upward motion of the bar to initiate the press is created with hip movement, not knee movement.
So why not allow a sumo deadlift? Many lifters can deadlift more sumo than conventional.2 you use the stretch reflex during a squat so why not a press?
It is indeed largely his preference, but he/his organization has reasons:So why not allow a sumo deadlift? Many lifters can deadlift more sumo than conventional.
This is Rippetoe's deal and he can set the rules how he wants. I'm fine with that and I'm glad he started this federation not just because it brings back the press but because of the elimination of the judge's commands, which seem to be cumbersome. But if we're being honest, the rules are based on Rippetoe's preferences.
I mainly stick with RDLs but on the rare occasions I DL from the floor I pull conventional so I don't have a dog in the sumo vs. conventional fight (actually I feel like even when my intent is to pull a max DL I use a clean pull since that's the movement I am most familiar with and it carries over to weightlifting). However, I am hearing two different stories from the SS camp:
Contradictions In Starting Strength PhilosophyWhy SS uses the low-bar squat - because you can use more weight.
"But what if I can use more weight with the sumo DL?" Doesn't matter because the sumo DL gives you a leverage advantage.
Guess what: the low-bar squat, by using a lower bar position, also gives the lifter a leverage advantage.
But then there is the whole the low-bar squat (and the sumo DL) both use more muscle mass because hamstrings.