Context is everything. I’ll see if I can track down the relevant part. I think it’s from PTTP.Oh, it was mostly a joke -- Pavel made some remarks in one of the books about being proud of having chicken legs.
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Context is everything. I’ll see if I can track down the relevant part. I think it’s from PTTP.Oh, it was mostly a joke -- Pavel made some remarks in one of the books about being proud of having chicken legs.
From ETK. Fighters, operators, and the like don't have a need for Heavier legs, so heavy pulls/hinges for adding strength without the girth, and being generally easier on the knees. No anti squat mentioned.StrongFirst might have to change its stance on squats, though.
From ETK. Fighters, operators, and the like don't have a need for Heavier legs, so heavy pulls/hinges for adding strength without the girth, and being generally easier on the knees. No anti squat mentioned.
SFL actually covers back squat, front squat, and Zercher squat (multiple variations) along with Good Mornings. Only the back squat is tested but the material is quite comprehensive.I’m not sure what their stance is, but back squats are part of the SFL and Zercher squats are one of two movements taught at Barbell 201.
That's why I think it will be interesting to see how StrongFirst approaches this.
So I picture StrongFirst O-Lifting will be similarly broad, teaching the lifts, variations, and techniques if one wants to train in that style for whatever reason. Competition may be an end goal, but maybe not. Personally I love the training style myself, even if I don't compete I've done 2 meets and just registered for a 3rd). But competition is certainly a bonus outcome, and good for any lifter's development, just like the TSC is good for any general strength trainee that trains in StrongFirst methods.
I think it's going to be a great fit for StrongFirst. The biggest challenge I see is that people who do kettlebell snatches, cleans, and jerks will think it's an easy switch... and, I'm here to tell you -- it's not! It's a whole new endeavor in which it takes years to gain proficiency. I'm halfway into year 3 and still working on that. But, some more gifted young athletes may pick it up faster, who knows. I actually think someone can pick it up faster if they go into it first, as opposed to coming into it from kettlebell or barbell powerlifting style training. But, will be interesting to see.
I tend to think of the Olympic lifting community as consisting of 3 main constituents right now:
1. Weightlifters (i.e. those practicing the sport)
2. Traditional Explosive Athletes (i.e. people like throwers or football players who practice power cleans, but don't usually go overhead)
3. Competitive Fitness Athletes (i.e. doing Olympic lifts for high reps as part of WODs, or as part of a 'lifting ladder' at fitness games)
Each one of these groups has a different objective and trains the lifts using different methodologies according to their goals.
I don't think StrongFirst needs to try to appeal to group #1, and might philosophically be in opposition to #3.
For group #2, it will be tricky to say something that hasn't already been said before over the decades, and, besides power cleans are not so trendy now, being replaced by things like hex bar jump squats.
Maybe there is a new "wellness" audience for weightlifting?
That would help a little bit -- but still so different, at least the way we usually do kettlebell cleans -- catching with legs straight, in lockout. Not dipping down to catch the clean.I bet you could take a bunch of kettlebellers and have them practice double KB dead stop cleans as a bridge to barbell cleans.
That would help a little bit -- but still so different, at least the way we usually do kettlebell cleans -- catching with legs straight, in lockout. Not dipping down to catch the clean.
The guys I met in special forces, all of them were Big burly dudes who looked like they lifted weights all the time.You can't be fighter/operator oriented and weightlifting oriented at the same time.
The guys I met in special forces, all of them were Big burly dudes who looked like they lifted weights all the time.
Our standard for the clean:Errr...you don't dip to catch a KB clean?
I do!
(at least if it's heavy enough)
Our standard for the clean:
Book was first published in 2001.I guess the operators referred to in @Don Fairbanks quote from ETK above aren't those kind of operators.
I didn't invent the ETK 'operators don't want heavy legs' narrative, so don't blame me if it's not accurate.
Book was first published in 2001.
For you, perhaps.If I want to clean a 40 kg bell in order to press or jerk overhead, it's just so much more efficient for me to clean straight up with a dip on the catch.
Perhaps you'd like to learn about what we do firsthand by taking a StrongFirst course or certification?Errr...you don't dip to catch a KB clean?
For you, perhaps.
Don't know , have to ask one. From the book, And for some comrades, for instance special operators and infantrymen, bloody thighs are simply unacceptable.Do operators prefer beefier legs now than they did then?
Do operators prefer beefier legs now than they did then?