Swings the best all round exercise?

DuncanGB

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What's sobering in this good article?
The differences and similarities of the 2 movements are well known.
This:
My biggest problem with the kettlebell swing, is that as SOON as someone learns the snatch, they substitute swings for snatches… And I HATE it.

The problem, I think, stems from the fact that the snatch is technically more difficult to learn initially which makes people think of it as an "advanced" swing -- and everyone is advanced right!?? It's not.

It's not.

It's not.


It's not.

I am definitely one of these someones who got so drunk on snatching that he neglected the swing to the point of even thinking it a waste of a snatch. That's what's sobering in this good article.
 
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ShawnyUT

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@Opiaswing have you ever done double KB work? I recently tried it out and I’m feeling very reinvigorated about training.

I still mix in the single bell swing for ballistics.
 

DuncanGB

Level 6 Valued Member
It depend on the type of hormone you want to spike. If you want to increase cortisol, heavy sets of 10 squat superset with sets of 10 swing would work...
I was referring back to Pavel's Swing Sandwich article cited earlier in the thread:

He doesn't specify a particular hormone but as the swing sandwich targets body composition I reckon the resultant "hormonal spike" he talks about must be HGH-related, not cortisol...
 

Alexander Halford

Level 7 Valued Member
This:
My biggest problem with the kettlebell swing, is that as SOON as someone learns the snatch, they substitute swings for snatches… And I HATE it.

The problem, I think, stems from the fact that the snatch is technically more difficult to learn initially which makes people think of it as an "advanced" swing -- and everyone is advanced right!?? It's not.

It's not.

It's not.


It's not.

I am definitely one of these someones who got so drunk on snatching that he neglected the swing to the point of even thinking it a waste of a snatch. That's what's sobering in this good article.
I'm glad you found your balance.
 

q.Hung

Level 6 Valued Member
I was referring back to Pavel's Swing Sandwich article cited earlier in the thread:

He doesn't specify a particular hormone but as the swing sandwich targets body composition I reckon the resultant "hormonal spike" he talks about must be HGH-related, not cortisol...
cortisol isn't that bad. It's quite helpful for fatloss. We just don't want to over drive it.
 

LoneRider

Level 6 Valued Member
Why not just ‘do a Pavel’ and add a press to the swing so you got a ‘big’ pull & a press which will hit most of the body (PTTP, ETK, S&S) as a minimalist strength maintenance program whilst you explore yoga for a while?

Dave.
@DaveS that's a great idea. Though personally I'd add goblet squats in there so a pull, a press, and a squat are all covered adequately.
 

patterner

Level 5 Valued Member
@DaveS that's a great idea. Though personally I'd add goblet squats in there so a pull, a press, and a squat are all covered adequately.
I'm not sure I'd agree that the swing fills the place of the pull. Certainly takes the place of a hinge (which the deadlift also fills in as, which is why I think they're often equated), but a big pull is a different beast. If you're trying to cover the pull I'd say chins, pullups, or even just hangs from a pull up bar are closer.
 

ShawnyUT

Level 6 Valued Member
I'm not sure I'd agree that the swing fills the place of the pull. Certainly takes the place of a hinge (which the deadlift also fills in as, which is why I think they're often equated), but a big pull is a different beast. If you're trying to cover the pull I'd say chins, pullups, or even just hangs from a pull up bar are closer.
For me, Pulls are difficult to program. It seems there is simply no great substitute for pull up bar work. Sure there are rows and lat pull down machines, but for me, they really don't give me the same work as a pull up.

I recently gave up trying to come up with alternatives, put a Rogue pull up bar in my garage, and profit.
 

DaveS

Level 2 Valued Member
@DaveS that's a great idea. Though personally I'd add goblet squats in there so a pull, a press, and a squat are all covered adequately.
True enough goblet squats be great too...and pull-ups as others have said but then its to move away from a minimalist strength maintenance program to support the yoga and avoid too much regression. To me, yoga will provide plenty of squat positions and many other movements so I was suggesting a Pavelesque compromise of a big pull and a press only so the yoga fills in the gaps with a minimal time energy commitment so fresh for the yoga.

Of course this all falls into the theoretical as it always depends on the goals of the individual and tweaking from there.

Dave.
 
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