This:What's sobering in this good article?
The differences and similarities of the 2 movements are well known.
I was referring back to Pavel's Swing Sandwich article cited earlier in the thread:It depend on the type of hormone you want to spike. If you want to increase cortisol, heavy sets of 10 squat superset with sets of 10 swing would work...
I'm glad you found your balance.This:
My biggest problem with the kettlebell swing, is that as SOON as someone learns the snatch, they substitute swings for snatches… And I HATE it.
The problem, I think, stems from the fact that the snatch is technically more difficult to learn initially which makes people think of it as an "advanced" swing -- and everyone is advanced right!?? It's not.
I am definitely one of these someones who got so drunk on snatching that he neglected the swing to the point of even thinking it a waste of a snatch. That's what's sobering in this good article.
cortisol isn't that bad. It's quite helpful for fatloss. We just don't want to over drive it.I was referring back to Pavel's Swing Sandwich article cited earlier in the thread:
Soviet science and real-life experience both point to the muscle and strength gains to be earned through using a swing sandwich type of program.www.strongfirst.com
He doesn't specify a particular hormone but as the swing sandwich targets body composition I reckon the resultant "hormonal spike" he talks about must be HGH-related, not cortisol...
@DaveS that's a great idea. Though personally I'd add goblet squats in there so a pull, a press, and a squat are all covered adequately.Why not just ‘do a Pavel’ and add a press to the swing so you got a ‘big’ pull & a press which will hit most of the body (PTTP, ETK, S&S) as a minimalist strength maintenance program whilst you explore yoga for a while?
I'm not sure I'd agree that the swing fills the place of the pull. Certainly takes the place of a hinge (which the deadlift also fills in as, which is why I think they're often equated), but a big pull is a different beast. If you're trying to cover the pull I'd say chins, pullups, or even just hangs from a pull up bar are closer.
For me, Pulls are difficult to program. It seems there is simply no great substitute for pull up bar work. Sure there are rows and lat pull down machines, but for me, they really don't give me the same work as a pull up.I'm not sure I'd agree that the swing fills the place of the pull. Certainly takes the place of a hinge (which the deadlift also fills in as, which is why I think they're often equated), but a big pull is a different beast. If you're trying to cover the pull I'd say chins, pullups, or even just hangs from a pull up bar are closer.
True enough goblet squats be great too...and pull-ups as others have said but then its to move away from a minimalist strength maintenance program to support the yoga and avoid too much regression. To me, yoga will provide plenty of squat positions and many other movements so I was suggesting a Pavelesque compromise of a big pull and a press only so the yoga fills in the gaps with a minimal time energy commitment so fresh for the yoga.