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Kettlebell What results have you gotten with Clean and press?

Gypsyplumber

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That’s amazing to hear. Yea i trained Under Mavericks field house and my friend Matt Steadman and even Brett Jones. I resonate Well with Brett Jones and Geoff’s programs. It’s about staying fresh. Doesn’t mean it’s gonna be easy though. So i feel You on all that!
I did one of mavericks programs 2 years ago and it was a good program but it was f****** hard. It kicked my a#@ everyday and I was always feeling wrecked.
 

Hrungnir

Level 5 Valued Member
I’ve been running just double C&P for my lifts since February and I’ve packed on size in my biceps and traps. I feel strong right now and part of me wants to do a WOD like Karen or Open 15.5 to see how this translates to my CrossFit strength but overall I would rather keep just doing C&P.

It’s become my desert island workout and I used to definitely be a buffet type guy.
 

MikeL

Level 5 Valued Member
Easiest example for me is ROP.
Narrower waist, broader shoulders, jacked traps. Easy route to a powerful look.
Plenty of gaps, it’s not “complete”, accessories needed if you want to be thorough but
c&p is my go-to if I need a lifting workout or a base for one, out of programme. Guess that says something about it.
 

Steve Freides

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There is a giant thread on the Giant in this forum where I recommend you share your results and ask questions if needed and encourage others. It is one of the most popular programs. Don't mess with it. It works.
Just a thought here - I don't generally suggest earlier threads on a popular topic unless those earlier threads are fairly short. Some new readers of the forum might turn away from a thread that's multiple pages long because it's too much information to process - and it can be quite tough to find a useful places to start reading in the middle of one of these "monster" threads.

A link, in the new thread, back to the old, big one is probably the most useful approach and then people can decide for themselves. Not a perfect solution, but there won't be a perfect solution when we're talking amongst ourselves and also trying to help new folks at the same time.

And now, as they say after interrupting a TV show, we now return you to your regularly scheduled program. :)

-S-
 

Archer

Level 5 Valued Member
What with your diet?
No bread or sweets 99% of the time. Lots of meat as always, I’m a carnivore. As many steamed or baked veggies as possible. Also during phase two I would eat overnight oats on workout days, sometimes a couple hours before, sometimes afterwards as a snack. I had extra protein in my oats, collagen and bone broth protein, a few walnuts and a few raisins.
The overnight oats were pretty carby but I didn’t worry about it during phase two.
Bacon and eggs often as my last meal of the day.
With my job I rarely eat breakfast anymore. So I guess you could say that I do intermittent fasting and I eat from 12:00pm til 6:00 pm.
 

watchnerd

Level 8 Valued Member
No bread or sweets 99% of the time. Lots of meat as always, I’m a carnivore. As many steamed or baked veggies as possible. Also during phase two I would eat overnight oats on workout days, sometimes a couple hours before, sometimes afterwards as a snack. I had extra protein in my oats, collagen and bone broth protein, a few walnuts and a few raisins.

Sounds like an omnivore to me. ;)
 

Cearball

Level 6 Valued Member
Easiest example for me is ROP.
Narrower waist, broader shoulders, jacked traps. Easy route to a powerful look.
Plenty of gaps, it’s not “complete”, accessories needed if you want to be thorough but
c&p is my go-to if I need a lifting workout or a base for one, out of programme. Guess that says something about it.
Do you tend to do ROP with pull ups or not?
 

Tom Flint

Level 6 Valued Member
Over the last 17 years, every single kettlebell program I’ve done has had a central focus on the clean and press, mostly with doubles (with the exception of one run of RoP).

Programs have included:

Mike Mahler’s Kettlebell Solution for Size and Strength (the one that bit me with the doubles bug); Total Tension Complex; DFW; Strong; Giant; RoP; ETK+; and currently RoTK.

Besides the fact it’s just my favourite lift to do (well, pair of lifts, strictly speaking), I always feel really well knitted together when I’m working them hard.

They’ve resulted in a really strong base level of core, pressing (vertical and horizontal) and even pull-up strength - throughout long phases without working those areas specifically.

Aesthetically, I frequently receive comments on my shoulders, traps and arms - and I’m someone who grew up quite out of shape and under-muscled. While I haven’t exclusively lifted kettlebells, they’ve made up 80-90% of my weight training.

Last thing about my results with the CP: I’ve always pushed the envelope with the weights I’ve used. I’ve always programmed them with a goal of size and strength, rather than muscular endurance or conditioning. But I’ve ended up with both of the latter qualities regardless of whether or not I’ve added other lifts or protocols with them in mind.
 
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Brandon Trahan

Level 5 Valued Member
Just a thought here - I don't generally suggest earlier threads on a popular topic unless those earlier threads are fairly short. Some new readers of the forum might turn away from a thread that's multiple pages long because it's too much information to process - and it can be quite tough to find a useful places to start reading in the middle of one of these "monster" threads.

A link, in the new thread, back to the old, big one is probably the most useful approach and then people can decide for themselves. Not a perfect solution, but there won't be a perfect solution when we're talking amongst ourselves and also trying to help new folks at the same time.

And now, as they say after interrupting a TV show, we now return you to your regularly scheduled program. :)

-S-
Haha you’re the best Steve
 

Kev

Level 6 Valued Member
Absolutely nailed it. I use a polar H10 and i try To not let my heart rate drop too far into zone 2. Not met on style (or @Geoff Neupert would ring my neck ), but just when I’m trying to get to a point where I’m conditioned enough to push a little more. It rules. His programs are GEMS.
I need a chest strap. I have a Garmin watch but the whole “turn it around and wear it snatching” doesn’t sit well with me. Wrist monitors don’t accurately get your HR so a chest strap is the way to go.
 

Brenton8989

Level 1 Valued Member
In my experience of 6 weeks of R.O.P, 1 cycle of DFW, 8 weeks of Giant 1.0 and 1.1, I’ve noticed:

1) an accomplished feeling after workouts that I can only describe as “manly” for lack of a better way of describing it

2) a feeling of a complete workout (perhaps not for the quads when running a c&p only program)

3) noticeable front delt, trap, arm musculature

As far as downsides to focusing mostly/entirely on c&p:

1) elbow issues (tendinitis); likely my fault from not dealing with it appropriately and pushing through like a dummy

2) limited rear delt growth/“3d” shoulders (when not incorporating rows or pull ups)

3) tight forearms from constant heavy gripping (likely the cause or trickle down effect of elbow issues)

In closing, if I could ONLY pick one exercise to do for the rest of my life, it would almost certainly be 1 of the following:

A) C&P

B) C&J

C) Cluster (clean and thruster)

*B) and C) for the obvious quad and power focus.
 

Adachi

Level 6 Valued Member
Wrist monitors don’t accurately get your HR so a chest strap is the way to go

Here's a comparison of an optical that can be worn anywhere (supposedly very accurate at the temple) and it still lags compared to the chest strap.

 

Brandon Trahan

Level 5 Valued Member
I need a chest strap. I have a Garmin watch but the whole “turn it around and wear it snatching” doesn’t sit well with me. Wrist monitors don’t accurately get your HR so a chest strap is the way to go.
Yea man the polar h10 is gold!
 
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