What's The Most Interesting Strength-Transfer/Carry Over You've Seen?

NakedWarrior91

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I read an article that said 'a PT from trainstrong PT could barely flip a 350kg tyre. after doing 3 months of serious TGU work with a 48kg kettlebell, he was able to flip it over easily'

Pavel once wrote that a man did nothing but OAPUs and, months later, did a One Arm Chin Up effortlessly.

Have you or anyone you know experienced a similar situation? e.g. after doing pistols, you noticed sprints were much easier, etc....
 

pet'

Level 8 Valued Member
Hello,

@NakedWarrior91
a PT from trainstrong PT could barely flip a 350kg tyre. after doing 3 months of serious TGU work with a 48kg kettlebell, he was able to flip it over easily'
I guess you are talking about one of these articles:
Kettlebell Strength - Movement Based Meditation
Get Up Get Strong - My Journey to the 48kg Turkish Get Up

Pavel once wrote that a man did nothing but OAPUs and, months later, did a One Arm Chin Up effortlessly
Could you please tell where did you read that ? Indeed, on the SF blog there is this article:
Pushing for a Better Pull? | StrongFirst
But in this case, the "pattern" is a vertical push vs a vertical pull (not an horizontal push as a one arm push up). Do not get me wrong, but the one arm chin up is an extremely technical move which requires a lot of specific work due to its mechanic, but also requires a lot of strength. Most of the folks who eventually got there trained either by adding weight (a rule of thumb regarding raw strength is about 4-5 reps with 75% of added weight) or applying some kind of the "Convict Conditioning" book progressions.

Have you or anyone you know experienced a similar situation? e.g. after doing pistols, you noticed sprints were much easier, etc....
When I trained S&S, when I got "Simple", I was able to DL 2x my bodyweight without training the DL per se. I admit that the swing transfers very well to this move though.

Pistol training transfer well to my boxing game as well (I am less sensitive to strikes, have more power)

Kind regards,

Pet'
 

offwidth

Level 9 Valued Member
did nothing but OAPUs and, months later, did a One Arm Chin Up effortlessly.
'If' Pavel said this, then I have no reason to doubt him. However, I can't also help but believe that this was highly atypical, an anomaly, and not the rule.
@pet' is right, the one arm pull-up is highly technical AND has very specific strength requirements. (not to mention IMO a high risk / reward ratio)
 

Steve Freides

Staff
Senior Certified Instructor
Elite Certified Instructor
We've also had people doing the one-arm military press with a kettlebell, using a strong focus on pulling the bell back down from the top (active negative) who've gone on to one-arm pullups with only a bit of direct practice. I don't recall the particulars, sorry.

-S-
 

pet'

Level 8 Valued Member
Hello,

It will be a little bit out of the original post, but I frankly believe that working on the military press to get a one arm pull up (or even to get a better / stronger pull up) is [highly] anecdotal. I have no doubt it is possible, but I do not think this can a general rule.

If this would be that simple, training the pull up would almost become unnecessary because press would get the job done for both patterns (push and pull). As an example, specialists of the pull, such as climbers, would extensively train the press. However, they usually train more the pull pattern.

Back to the OP, I also noticed my running is way better since I do plenty of burpees, on an almost daily basis.

Kind regards,

Pet'
 

Maine-ah KB

Level 7 Valued Member
so I've experienced decent WTH effects (no where close to one arm chins and a 350kg tire flip)
-Double Jerks, got me a 100 snatches in 5min and improved my double military press.
-GTG One arm pushups got me me from a 32kg for a single to about 5 per arm (if I remember correctly)
-most recently after practicing Dips for a 4 or so weeks I improved my one arm press from the 36kg for 2 to the Bull dog (40kg), and Double military pressed 2x36kg for 1.

the What The Heck effect is wonderful but you can't really plan for it. I'm just grateful when it happens.
 

Tiger

Level 5 Valued Member
Hello,

As an example, specialists of the pull, such as climbers, would extensively train the press. However, they usually train more the pull pattern.

Pet'

Climbing training doesn't include much pull up training; we're already overloaded on that movement in our skill work. Presses are necessary accessory work
 

offwidth

Level 9 Valued Member
@pet'
Intelligent climbing training needen't emphasis pull-up training... Yet I often see 'climbers' overly engaged in doing it as a part of their training. Fun maybe... valuable? Less so.

Climbers (Rock Climbers / Boulderers) who want to augment their climbing with additional physical training should be focusing on finger strength if anything.
 

pullupfighter

Level 1 Valued Member
I'll defiantly contribute to this post as I was just thinking of this last night before reading this post. One of my biggest carry overs I've noticed has been weighted dips > to bench. For 8 months, I progressed or increased my weighted dips every 2-4 days. I started at +0 lbs, and worked my way up to + 90 lbs on the dips. My bench went from 150 to 300 in 8 months via this method. And every single time my dips increased, my bench increased by nearly the same amount. There's a lot of other carry overs out there, but dips to bench was one of the most consistent I noticed.

I also noticed, Deadlifts increased by pull up grip strength a tremendous amount over time in a similar sequence.
 

Karen Smith

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Master Certified Instructor
Iron Maiden
I have seen the most carry over to all other modalities / skills from working OAPU and SLDL’s.
 

wespom9

Level 6 Valued Member
Certified Instructor
I did tons of military presses, working up to 5-6 with the 24kg but could never budge the 32. Spent time getting my OAOLPU - and the 32 went up first try for a single.
NOTHING has had more carryover for me than the OAOLPU

EDIT: This is at a BW of 67 kilos - so almost my half bodyweight press!
 

Molson

Level 4 Valued Member
I'll defiantly contribute to this post as I was just thinking of this last night before reading this post. One of my biggest carry overs I've noticed has been weighted dips > to bench. For 8 months, I progressed or increased my weighted dips every 2-4 days. I started at +0 lbs, and worked my way up to + 90 lbs on the dips. My bench went from 150 to 300 in 8 months via this method. And every single time my dips increased, my bench increased by nearly the same amount. There's a lot of other carry overs out there, but dips to bench was one of the most consistent I noticed.

I also noticed, Deadlifts increased by pull up grip strength a tremendous amount over time in a similar sequence.
Louie Simmons said that 75% of your bench is the triceps. But I guess this does not apply as much in the raw version.
 

pet'

Level 8 Valued Member
Hello,

@wespom9
What was your OAOL PU protocol to get the 32 press ?

If I were able to press it, it would be more than half bodyweight press for me !

Kind regards,

Pet'
 

fractal

Level 6 Valued Member
I did my first OAPU this week after not training it for months and never getting lower than mid shin on the elevation progression. I believe it was a combination of snatching the 32kg and divebomber pushups, but I’m unsure. Still trying to get my head around it.
 

wespom9

Level 6 Valued Member
Certified Instructor
@pet' I did exactly as Naked Warrior suggests. GTG. Some days high volume, some low, just whenever I could. Worked concurrently on a 3 day HLM strategy for SLDL, pistol and Pullups on a 2x5 scheme
 

Michael20

Level 4 Valued Member
One area of improvement I've noticed for myself since working with KBs is my grip strength with moving and lifting things, anything from moving furniture and objects that my be awkward to carry. A few months ago I was helping my dad lift some batteries for motor vehicles (I'm not sure how much the batteries weighed), but I recall lifting these batteries several years ago and kind of struggled with lifting and handling them in confined spaces. I noticed how easily I was able to lift and move the batteries since I have been doing kettlebell and bodyweight exercises from Strong First.
 

william bad butt

Level 6 Valued Member
One area of improvement I've noticed for myself since working with KBs is my grip strength with moving and lifting things, anything from moving furniture and objects that my be awkward to carry. A few months ago I was helping my dad lift some batteries for motor vehicles (I'm not sure how much the batteries weighed), but I recall lifting these batteries several years ago and kind of struggled with lifting and handling them in confined spaces. I noticed how easily I was able to lift and move the batteries since I have been doing kettlebell and bodyweight exercises from Strong First.
I agree. I use mostly barbells and kettlebells as my modality of choice (and a little bit bodyweight and dumbells). I think the kbells have turned my grip into a vice, even way more so than heavy deadlift training or even specific hand training via grippers.
 
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