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Hi guys. I am refining a prototype for a new kettlebell. It has variable weight (removable segments) and an integrated rep counter / timer. What other features would you wish for to make your kettlebell training more efficient and/or fun?

Let me know, would be glad to develop something for the community.

BR
Olivier
 
Speaking for myself, I have yet to try an adjustable kettlebell I like - too many variables with how the weight is distributed that make it feel too different from a fixed-weight bell of the same size.

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I think including electronic goes against the minimalistic aspect many of us like about kettlebells. But a good adjustable weight KB would be nice
 
I think including electronic goes against the minimalistic aspect many of us like about kettlebells. But a good adjustable weight KB would be nice

+1.

I own a LOT of KBs, way more than any individual person really needs (just ask my wife). I would not buy a KB with built in electronics.

But it's not just a minimalist aesthetic; it's also a matter of practicality. A KB should serve for a lifetime and beyond, and electronics tend not to endure well. If it can't survive being used to break down a door on a Navy ship to rescue the captain, I'm not interested.

I also think adjustable KBs are much better in theory than in practice. For the reasons @Steve Freides mentions and also because the ease of changing weights is usually inversely proportional to the functionality of the KB.

I judge a KB by the comfort of its proportions, by the cleanness of the casting, by the feel of the handle, by the durability of the finish, by the price, and by its "kettlebellness" (a cannonball with a handle, no demon faces, no funny shapes, etc.). If you want to make a better kettlebell, make these things better.
 
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I only own three, and that's likely all I could ever possibly need. (Well maybe 1 more) But I agree 100% with @Oscar and @Steve W. about minimalism and practically...
 
The only improvement KBs need is the coating. Even the best finishes, declared as ship-resitant, get damaged when you hit them together (during doubles, transportation etc.).
This doesn't bother everyone, but I'm one of those who is bothered by it.
Other than that nothing to improve.

Now if you somehow manage to build an adjustable KB that's almost as durable and feels exactly like a fixed weight KB (center of mass etc.). That's something I'd buy.
 
Hi guys. I am refining a prototype for a new kettlebell. It has variable weight (removable segments) and an integrated rep counter / timer. What other features would you wish for to make your kettlebell training more efficient and/or fun?

Let me know, would be glad to develop something for the community.

BR
Olivier

HI Olivier, Thanks for asking. It's a fun thing to brainstorm on. I would warn you that people here are both you best and worst customer. The best because we are all in on kettlebells. The worst, because most of us have shelled out for all we could need and further have grown attached to the particular one's we've worked with. A bit like a hunter might favor his rifle.

That said, I would be asking how can I enhance the things that make a kettle bell special.


Acceleration
A kettle bell is for ballistic, explosive training. I can't think of anything better for that purpose. If you can make even better, that would be a big deal. I believe there is a big opportunity for a bell that give real-time audio feedback to improve explosiveness:

Audio accelerator for biofeedback - For most ballistic lifts you can get a lot stronger a lot faster if you are paying attention to how high and fast the bell moves after you've given it the impulse. It would be interesting to make this biofeedback more fine grained with sound that revealed the realtime acceleration of the bell. For one it would allow you to improve segments of your pull separately. In its simplest form it would simply make a noise that got louder and/or higher with higher acceleration. I would guess that an audio method that revealed the change in direction of the velocity would also be helpful. Note that the measurement does not have to be accurate, but it should be precise, and realtively accurate. That is giving me and correct intuitive feel for where the bell is accelerating more and less.

I would happily purchase a version of this that I could attach to my bells today.

Achievement
In addition the engineering difficulties another reason people may not like the adjustable kettlebell has to do with a positive aspect that is brought about by it's lack of adjustability. There tends to be only 1 or 2 you need to work with at at time, so you spend a lot of quality time with the same bell. They tend to get anthropomorphized, maybe painted, maybe named. Then at some point it's just too light and you are forced/get to buy a newer heavier one. The one you don't use so much is like an old friend and the new one it like a trophy you are trying to earn. This is quite a virtuous cycle for a piece to strength equipment.

I wonder in what ways you can bring this experience to the adjustable kettlebell user?
  • Extreme version - maybe plates go on, but they don't come off
  • Perhaps the plates together form some kind of vizual, that reveals itself as you fill the bell, like an old set of VHS covers.
  • If you've got a rep counter, and can recognize how much weight is on the bell -maybe a Star or a pip appears on the handle when 10,000 reps have been logged with each additional plate.
  • If you've got an accelerator AND get sophisticated with the machine learning, the bell might be able to give feedback on the form. In this case the bell could "graduate you" and allow another plate.

A couple other things that may be interesting
  • Adjustable/replaceable handle - For grip training purposes it would be nice to have a set of thicker handle, perhaps working in 1/2 inch steps up to 2.5 or 3 inches. I throw fatgrips on mine at times. It would be nice to have something that felt like a solid part of the bell that could be swapped out.
  • A handle that could be loosened to rotate would be nice for cardio snatch sessions.
  • Progressing past a 32kg for upper body movements takes a large increase in the forearms ability to handle the weight of the bell. A bell that allowed for adjustable width would allow me to put more stress on the forearm with a lighter weight and work through that difficulty.

Hope something in there is helpful!
 
I'm an old school purist kind of guy so I like my Kbells just as they are. But I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of electronics that you could temporarily clip/clamp on, magnetic, etc. I could see how an accelerometer might useful for some things but I wouldn't want it built into the Kbell.

I was thinking the other day about how I could affix a 4kg plate to the bottom of my Kbells to fill in those in between weights without having to buy another one. I wonder how rare earth magnets would work? Those things are beastly powerful, small, and cheap. There was some guy producing a strap/ratchet system for that purpose but I wasn't crazy about his design. I like your inventors mindset......keep brainstorming!
 
1. I want them cheaper. Under $1 per pound. At this point they will be a true commodity item.
2. I want the coating to be powdercoat but as fine as possible. Perhaps some experimentation with something like the stuff they spray as a bedliner (I think it may be too gritty and rough as is). This stuff is indestructible.
3. The VF Precision kettlebell I own has flat parts where the wrist would be when holding the weight above your head or in TGU position. It is a small feature but its definitely a quality of life thing.
 
The only improvement KBs need is the coating. Even the best finishes, declared as ship-resitant, get damaged when you hit them together (during doubles, transportation etc.).
This doesn't bother everyone, but I'm one of those who is bothered by it.
Other than that nothing to improve.

Now if you somehow manage to build an adjustable KB that's almost as durable and feels exactly like a fixed weight KB (center of mass etc.). That's something I'd buy.

Would zinc plating the bell work to protect it? Could imagine a silver bell with black powder coated handle would look good (opposite of a comp bell almost). Seems a lot of comp spec powerlifting plates are being zinc plated for protection rather than powder coated these days
 
@Glen
Is zinc coating more ship resistant than powder or epoxy? I'd think so, but don't know. If yes it would be a good option.
You can even use a black zinc coating. Rogue uses it with a lot of their barbells. Since Rogue uses it I can't imagine that the process is too expensive, otherwise their bars wouldn't be so cheap (price, not quality).
 
+1 to leaving the actual bell alone, but developing something that you could attach that measures reps, distance, time, acceleration, etc. Something that cinches onto the corner of the handle would be alright, but I think a strong magnet would be ideal for changing 'bells and placing it different places based on whether you're doing cleans, snatches, presses, etc. A "teched out" bell seems like it would be prohibitively expensive and relatively fragile, but if I can use the same piece of hardware for different clients/weights, that would be awesome. Depending on how you make it, it could even go on a barbell, which would really widen the consumer base.
 
I'd never buy one with gimmicks, especially electronics.

But with that said, I bet a TON of people would.
 
+1 to leaving the actual bell alone, but developing something that you could attach that measures reps, distance, time, acceleration, etc. Something that cinches onto the corner of the handle would be alright, but I think a strong magnet would be ideal for changing 'bells and placing it different places based on whether you're doing cleans, snatches, presses, etc. A "teched out" bell seems like it would be prohibitively expensive and relatively fragile, but if I can use the same piece of hardware for different clients/weights, that would be awesome. Depending on how you make it, it could even go on a barbell, which would really widen the consumer base.

Sounds like a device already on the market called bar sensei i think
 
Sounds like a device already on the market called bar sensei
That's pretty cool, I didn't know about that.

So yeah, I'm suggesting a magnetic bar sensei that is less movement specific, costs less, and can go on either a KB or BB.
 
1" threaded holes on the sides and bottom of the kettlebell so you could easily bolt on standard plates to add weight.

Would make sense to keep balance of the bell to have four sides which had a bolt hole/thread so you could keep the balance of it. Bell would be flat base curved sides with flat segment on four sides and the weights are curved slightly with inset section so bolt doesnt protrude - keeps a standard bell shape

Maybe have a set of 16,24,32kg bells and one set of additional four plates of 0.5, 1 and 2kg. This would allow all increments from 16-40kg and possibly doubles at 24kg and 32kg in one set of three bells
 
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