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How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training? It seems that there is always more for me to learn and every program works and every coach has a unique approach. How do I know when to stop spending money on fitness and invest in something else? I've met my fitness goals (to be physically fit for my job) and spent about $5000 doing so (I spent this mainly on Strongfirst online courses, some in-person training, kettlebells, gymnastic rings, bands, and various programs). Did I do well or did I go overboard? What would be a recommended spending cap for a beginner looking for GPP?

Thanks,
-T-
 
I am grateful for all that I've learned. I love lifting kettlebells and learning. Thank you to all my coaches! However, money is a resource that can be used for a great many things and physical betterment is only one of them. S&S is a great example of one of the services that Strongfirst provides: a pathway to become strong with a minimal investment of time and energy (and $$ based on the decision to use minimal equipment/coaching) so that we can use our strength for others. Money is also one of our means to provide for others and serve them. I ended up needing more than kettlebells and coaching in my journey so I spent more than a minimalist might. However, is there a way to guide onesself through the exercise marketplace so as to know when one is improving his potential to help others via strength as opposed to being self-centered and wasting money? How do I calculate when the diminishing returns are setting in?
 
How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training? It seems that there is always more for me to learn and every program works and every coach has a unique approach. How do I know when to stop spending money on fitness and invest in something else? I've met my fitness goals (to be physically fit for my job) and spent about $5000 doing so (I spent this mainly on Strongfirst online courses, some in-person training, kettlebells, gymnastic rings, bands, and various programs). Did I do well or did I go overboard? What would be a recommended spending cap for a beginner looking for GPP?

Thanks,
-T-
Do you have the tools to continue meeting your goals? Then probably no need to spend more money pursing them. If I'm honest with myself most of what I use training wise is from less than $100 worth of books that were really well done. Most people can just buy 531 or the Tactical Barbell series and be good for their training lifetime because of the excellent systems outlined in those books.

You are right that there is always more. And it is fine to keep buying more as a hobby, but if it is a more utilitarian want then you don't have to.

Much like in block periodization, move your finite resources towards furthering your goal while maintaining secondary goals.

But at the same time, there is the consumerist motto. "You can't buy more after you are dead. So get all the stuff now."
 
I have both spent money on things that got me nowhere and things that really helped. I've also learned a lot for free via the internet + many years of learning on my own. I would only consider it "overboard" if you have lots of equipment you never use. Education is education. The rest is how you are able to apply your own critical thinking to your education.

Many sources claim to be the "best" or "only" way to do something, but in the end, everyone needs something individualized. Exposing yourself to a wide range of information and learning to look for common underlying principles will get you the farthest.

It sounds a bit cliche, but question methodologies, especially if they make broad claims without sufficient explanation and proof of results. A good athlete does not necessarily make a good trainer. And there are plenty of trainers whose method is the proverbial "hammer looking for nails," i.e. they want to use the same approach to every person and situation regardless of individual nuance.

-Regarding general training: for anyone not looking to achieve some high-end/elite level of performance, almost any approach will work if consistently used over a long period of time.

-Regarding the corrective exercise world: There's a lot out there claiming to "fix problem [x] for GOOD" or give you some kind of ultimate result, and there's 10 times (or more) as many people who have tried those approaches and gotten nowhere and/or have had their issues always return. So it never hurts to learn different approaches (unless it's going to cost you an arm and a leg, and you're not a fitness professional).
 
I would only consider it "overboard" if you have lots of equipment you never use. Education is education. The rest is how you are able to apply your own critical thinking to your education.
This. I have, comparatively speaking, a barebones garage gym. The only thing I splurged on was fixed dumbbells because I do a lot of supersets and drop sets. Adjustable just aren’t good for that for me (I know many people that make it work).

I know people in my neighborhood that are on their 3rd power rack because of YouTube videos they watched. One guy I know has that super beefy Rogue monster rack. “Upgraded” from another monster rack. Which itself was an upgrade from a Rep Fitness rack. And now he’s talking about going back to Rep for the Ares/Athena stuff you can outfit them with.

For him, his garage gym is like tinkering on a car. It’ll never be done. It isn’t helping him get any stronger or healthier. Buying equipment is the hobby.

I’ll throw some money at a coach for a program. No plans on running it. I just like learning how other coaches program stuff. Most recently, I picked up a couple of NEVERSate programs. $25 a pop. I doubt I’ll run them because they feel overly complicated to me. But I did learn from them so it wasn’t a waste of $25 to me. Plus I really like his YouTube channel and buying a program is the easiest way to give him money.

But $25 to $30 is where I draw the line. I doubt I’ll buy a StrongFirst program just to learn from because they are over the price point I have in my head. But that’s me.
 
However, is there a way to guide onesself through the exercise marketplace so as to know when one is improving his potential to help others via strength as opposed to being self-centered and wasting money? How do I calculate when the diminishing returns are setting in?
I don't know - interesting questions!

Defining/distinguishing 'needs' vs. 'wants' is a hard one when it comes to strength and fitness... Where you draw the line is pretty individual and can extend into your goals (are your goals really "needs", or just "wants"?).

Diminishing returns set in very quickly. I'm glad I'm financially solid enough to not have to do this calculus for most decisions I make these days when it comes to equipment and education.

There were things I let go because I felt the time and dollars investment was too great for me and the family - kettlebell instructor certification, for example - this was tough because it's a community I still value a lot.
 
If you’re on this forum there’s a good chance that you’re passionate about strength training/fitness. You could spend your money on worse things. For me the key is looking at it in terms of investment. I’ve invested in certifications and and seminars and programs. Every time I’ve invested I’ve valued the experience and used it to further my understanding or competencies. Anything that I have randomly downloaded or read passively has never added any value. It’s like taking pictures on a smartphone.
If you invest in a decent camera you are far more likely to take decent pictures and develop them. You reference spending 5k to get where you are today. Given how most of the population feel on a daily basis I’d say that’s money well spent.
Keep going!!
 
How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training?
Are you making a career of it?

Spend as much as you think you can get a return on.

This is a very individual answer.

Personally the more I learn the less I am willing to spend. It needs to have an articulable purpose. I can experiment for free, and run "proof of concept" trials very inexpensively. If the concept is sound, oftentimes there will be no need for further investment.

I buy tools for work that I might not need but suspect will be helpful, and consider it money well spent regardless. But I won't pony up on a whim or out of boredom.
 
How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training? It seems that there is always more for me to learn and every program works and every coach has a unique approach. How do I know when to stop spending money on fitness and invest in something else? I've met my fitness goals (to be physically fit for my job) and spent about $5000 doing so (I spent this mainly on Strongfirst online courses, some in-person training, kettlebells, gymnastic rings, bands, and various programs). Did I do well or did I go overboard? What would be a recommended spending cap for a beginner looking for GPP?

Thanks,
-T-
This post put me in mind of a passage from Ernest Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises:
Just exchange of values. You gave up something and got something else. Or you worked for something. You paid some way for everything that was any good. I paid my way into enough things that I liked, so that I had a good time. Either you paid by learning about them, or by experience, or by taking chances, or by money. Enjoying living was learning to get your money’s worth and knowing when you had it. You could get your money’s worth. The world was a good place to buy in. It seemed like a fine philosophy. In five years, I thought, it will seem just as silly as all the other fine philosophies I’ve had.
Perhaps that wasn’t true, though. Perhaps as you went along you did learn something. I did not care what it was all about. All I wanted to know was how to live in it. Maybe if you found out how to live in it you learned from that what it was all about.

Money is one thing you can invest, but when it comes to fitness and health, time and reps trump seminars, courses and pretty much anything else you can spend money on. I did an RKC cert when Pavel was still there and leading certification weekends. It was a great experience, but I honestly didn't learn a whole lot that I didn't know going in, as a result of almost a decade of KB lifting prior. I learned a lot from the experience of preparing for the cert on my own. The fact that I was dropping a substantial sum of money on the cert definitely drove me in a way that I wouldn't have been driven otherwise, but that's due more to my own psychology than the certification itself. My point is not that certs are worthless or not worth the money, but that you aren't necessarily ever going to learn what it's all about. However, you can learn a lot just by living in it, making an effort, paying attention, and being reflective.

Do you have the tools to continue meeting your goals? Then probably no need to spend more money pursing them. If I'm honest with myself most of what I use training wise is from less than $100 worth of books that were really well done. Most people can just buy 531 or the Tactical Barbell series and be good for their training lifetime because of the excellent systems outlined in those books.

You are right that there is always more. And it is fine to keep buying more as a hobby, but if it is a more utilitarian want then you don't have to.
+1

When it comes to equipment, you can go a long way with pretty basic stuff. I like buying toys and playing with them as much as anyone, and it's mostly been worth it to me to have tools I really like and enjoy using. But then again, it often takes time and experience to figure out what you really like.

And of course, any financial calculus depends on your individual resources and situation.
 
You said you’ve met your fitness goals. That being the case, you probably don’t “need” to spend anything.

But if you enjoy it, and you have the storage space, the only real spending cap is what you can afford.
 
How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training?
There isn't an easy answer. One can hire a personal trainer and spend $400-500 a week easily and quickly rack up $20k in costs over the year. For some (me) that is unimaginable; for others, that's not that big of a deal. lf you can afford that kind of service, that is awesome. If that helps you meet your goals, even better.

If you can hit your goals with a $60/mo membership at Anytime fitness and a copy of Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 ($30), that's awesome too! And a whole lot cheaper.

One isn't better than the other. Well, I mean, if you could afford the best of the best that probably is better than piecing your way through... but maybe you see what I'm saying.
It seems that there is always more for me to learn and every program works and every coach has a unique approach.
Don't buy into FOMO. Sometimes more is just more, and isn't any better. You don't need to buy every program (I credit @silveraw for saying that recently ... actually he said "programs aren't pokemon you don't need to collect them all"), and honestly sometimes you just need to know enough to help you meet your goals and to stay consistent. I'm not anti-learning, but many people then lack consistency as they are constantly changing what they're doing because they just read this or that or saw something on YouTube or whatever. There are times in my past when I've started a program and "gone dark" - stopped reading or listening to anything exercise related so I could FOCUS and DO.
How do I know when to stop spending money on fitness and invest in something else? I've met my fitness goals
Everyone is different. If fitness is a hobby and you love doing it and learning about it and whatnot, then you never need to stop spending. But if it is a means to an end (job, or whatever), and you've achieved that end... you can seriously cut down your costs until you have a new goal.
Did I do well or did I go overboard? What would be a recommended spending cap for a beginner looking for GPP?
There's no real way to assess that, just like there's not recommended spending cap. There's a thread on here where we're talking about a $30 book and someone says - just go to (a specific) $1000 seminar. Now, if you have the kind of funds where $1000 is as missed as $30 is for me, maybe that calculus makes sense. A "spending cap" for a beginner is going to differ if I'm talking to the broke college bro or if I'm talking to Mr. Monopoly. If Mr. Monopoly goes and hires Jim Wendler and works with him personally (no idea if that's possible but pretend with me), he will likely have much better results than Broke College Bro buying 5/3/1 for $30 and figuring it out from there. So a lot of it depends on your resources available. $5000 would be a stupid crazy amount to have spent if you're working 3 jobs and are barely able to pay your bills and can't just pump gas in your car. $5000 isn't overboard if you're a pretty affluent guy who maybe budgeted a bit (or not!) but it didn't make anything "tight." $5000 might not even be that much if you spread that out over 10 years, even if you aren't on Mr Monopoly's level.

Also in play there though is importance. Your job depends on it. Depending on what you do, where you were before you started etc., you might have NEEDED to "go overboard" so you could get this job and stick it. I used to be a personal trainer. This guy hired me to get him ready to go to basic training. He had 8 weeks. The cost was almost irrelevant (I mean, it wasn't, but he was willing to pay!) because he NEEDED it NOW.

Also in play here is personality. Some people need to hire that coach or that personal trainer so they have consistency, so they show up to the gym, to push them when they need to and to hold them back when they need to.

The more defined the time frame of the results and the more important the results are, the more it is "worth" it. "I need to be ready to do X by Y or else I lose my job" - pretty daggum important, and depending how much you make and how far from that you are, you might need to invest a lot to get there.
However, money is a resource that can be used for a great many things and physical betterment is only one of them.
100%. If you are happy with your results and where you are and you know you have a path forward for the next 6 months or year, it would totally make sense to start moving resources around to pay for other things.
However, is there a way to guide onesself through the exercise marketplace so as to know when one is improving his potential to help others via strength as opposed to being self-centered and wasting money? How do I calculate when the diminishing returns are setting in?
Everyone's calculus will be different. I suggest talking to your religious leaders, if you have any. You can start working out how much you can cut and what that means for your fitness. You can also look at other areas to "trim the fat." Is paying that monthly fee for a coach worth it? Is it more worth it than eating out every day? Etc. I would suggest volunteering somewhere you think is important, but that's more about donating time and less about donating money, and may not even have required you to have gone through a fitness journey.
 
How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training? It seems that there is always more for me to learn and every program works and every coach has a unique approach. How do I know when to stop spending money on fitness and invest in something else? I've met my fitness goals (to be physically fit for my job) and spent about $5000 doing so (I spent this mainly on Strongfirst online courses, some in-person training, kettlebells, gymnastic rings, bands, and various programs). Did I do well or did I go overboard? What would be a recommended spending cap for a beginner looking for GPP?

Thanks,
-T-
If it has helped you earn a job that requires it, continues to serve that capacity as well as your health, I’d say it’s worth the return.
 
Just my opinion: $5000 to reach the goal of being physically fit for your job is overboard. You could’ve done it on zero dollars. But…. If it makes you happy & you can afford it, more power to you.
80% of my home gym is from friends & friends of friends who got excited & bought more equipment than they needed. There was a time all I had was 2 arms, 2 legs & gravity. Managed to get in better shape than most of my peers.
Don’t stop educating yourself. But realise it never ends, there’s always going to be something new. There’s always going to be another piece of equipment.
Often you can learn more focusing on yourself & paying attention to how you respond to different exercises, frequency, recovery etc, than you would the latest program. There’s so many great programs from the minds of great people out there, but nobody knows you better than yourself.
 
It is amazing how many people there are in the world who do their job and basic chores who give no concern for their physical health. Personally, I don’t buy every program out there. I have a couple that I can cycle through and easily get me to a better place this year. I have worked with a SFG Elite coach. The experience was awesome. I went to Orland, Florida with my wife in 2019 I think. At that point, I had been doing ROP for some time. I found out Tim Shuman was SFG team lead in Florida and he welcomed me to his house where he had kettlebells. I was trying to figure out the bent press at the time and in about a half hour I was easily bent pressing with 32kg. The experience was awesome. Well worth the money I spent on the hour with him. That led me to go back home re think my life and I have leaned on him to train me. He helped me pass the SFG 1 and then prepare for the SFG 2. In the meantime, I’ve kinda stayed in this community that I believe is home for me. This is a very cool realm to be in and the dumbbells, barbells, rack, squat stand, atlas stones, sandbags I have is reminiscent of someone wanting to be strong. I was listening to Zack Talender the other day and he said old time strong men/strongmen have sh*t laying around their house and they just pick it up, carry it, etc and they get jacked. It made me laugh cause that’s how my place is set up. I have stuff to lift in my office at work, in my living room, and in my garage. Everywhere I go, I have zero excuses. And it is well worth the cost. It’s the price of a good quality of life. My grandmother was a nurse for 56 years and when she was about 74/75 she was taking care of people 10-20 years younger than her. I hope when I’m almost 80 I will be able to carry someone younger than me rather than them having to carry me.
 
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How do I calculate when the diminishing returns are setting in?

Diminishing returns are still returns.

is there a way to guide onesself through the exercise marketplace so as to know when one is improving his potential to help others via strength as opposed to being self-centered and wasting money?

"Is there a way ...?"

No, there isn't.

Your questions would be appropriate in a philosophy class - nothing wrong with that, but you're grappling with things that aren't specific to exercise or even to money. How much coffee should you have in the morning? Does having too much make you dependent on having coffee and is that a bad thing? Is walking somewhere you could drive to, although it's better for you, selfish because you could spend the time doing something more productive if you drove? Is it wrong for an amateur to practice a musical instrument just for their own self-satisfaction? Should you live a life of poverty so that you can use all your money to help the truly needy? Is meditating self-centered? And is that kind of self-centeredness bad? Should you buy a new car when the old one still works just fine? Should you buy or lease? Should you invest in the stock market or keep your money in the bank? Is trying to acquire knowledge for its own sake an honorable pursuit? Is having children a moral choice? Should you give money to public television? Is it OK to be rude to telemarketers? Is it OK to have a hobby that costs money?

How much money should a person invest in kettlebells, gym equipment, online courses, certifications, rehabilitation programs, S&C programs and in-person training?

We can't answer that for you.

-S-
 
It's such a personal question, as many of us have alluded to (or outright stated). That you're asking it indicates to me that you feel like you've spent too much.
I'm sorry it seems to be causing you some difficulties. I try to look at it like this: what equipment I buy can be used by me, my family, and my friends. All of it can help us have a better life, and I think that's worth spending good money on. I don't have disposable income. I have very little left over at the end of the month. So what I buy isn't really expensive to most people, but it took me, for instance, four months to save up for an $80 club. It's worth it, though, to me, not because I enjoy doing it (even though I do), but because it's something that can help me continue to throw baseball with my son and daughters, or help them strengthen their bodies, or help me recapture some lost mobility.
I'm sorry; it's late and I seem to be rambling. I seem to be having difficulty expressing myself. I don't personally think $5000 is too much, if it helps you maintain a career and has value outside that (healthier lifestyle, greater mobility, etc). I bet you can run some of those programs you bought more than once, which increases their value. I'm sure you don't want your physical fitness to degrade, which means you should probably keep using those kettlebells and rings and such, which increases their value. So no, I don't think you went overboard. If you were just aiming at a one-time thing of "getting the job" and forgetting about remaining fit-enough long-term to KEEP the job, you might have gone overboard. But if you intend to keep going forward, then no.
 
My grandmother was a nurse for 56 years and when she was about 74/75 she was taking care of people 10-20 years younger than her. I hope when I’m almost 80 I will be able to carry someone younger than me rather than them having to carry me.
My Dad is 75. Can still bend at the waist and put his palms flat on the floor, still squats every day atg heels down.
 
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