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Partha

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Dear People,

At early 40's, with a full time job and a child, I only manage to workout 2-3x per week. Kettlebell and bodyweight combination has been very useful. Now, with a decent gym at my apartment, and little more time in hand, I was trying the below workout:

Warm up: Mobility drills.

A: Power clean, Front Squat, Bench, Row
B: Push press, Deadlift, Lunges, Pull-down.

Hoping to hear from people on choice of exercises for and effectiveness of compound only, full body workout.
 
Doubt you can go wrong with a program like that. Fullbody is the way to go if you have 2-3x a week.

Well, after the hinge, press and squat, I already feel tired for the upper back exercise. Also, there is no direct core exercise. This is the direction where I could do with further thoughts or suggestions. Thanks.
 
So there's a full barbell, weight set, and rack available in the gym? That looks workable, and is a good basic combination of exercises that hits everything and complement each other.

But exercise selection is only one "leg of the stool", so to speak. What sort of program are you following for weight selection and progression?

And other than general fitness, what are your goals?

Do you feel that your technique is good on the selected exercises?

after the hinge, press and squat, I already feel tired for the upper back exercise

I think it's generally OK to feel a bit fatigued going into accessory exercises exercises specifically for the upper back.

Also, there is no direct core exercise.

Bracing your core for squat, deadlift, and the others does work the core pretty well when you're adequately loaded and doing it with good technique.
 
I would swap the days you do Push Press and Bench. The bar is already in the rack or you can Clean, and your working on you front rack that day.

Row on Deadlift day because the bar is already set up. Just strip weight and do your sets

I like training economy. I don’t like to spent to much time setting up and cleaning up.

Day A

Clean, Push Press, Front Squat, Pull Down
* doing some lighter Front Squat first may help your Clean, many technical programs have FSQT before C.
*rollouts, plank(pushup) or similar for torso

Day B

Bench, Deadlift, Row, Lunges
* or lunges first, I like to Goblet Squat before Bench to warmup and cue the hips for leg drive
* Leg Raises, Pull Down Abs, or similar for torso
 
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I like it.

I would:

A:
3-5x3-5
Squat
Bench
Deadlift

B:
3x8 (probably as a complex)
Row
Clean
Press
Front Squat

The B day, if done as a complex, would be very quick. You could then easily add some planks, loaded carries etc. Or just blitz it and get on with life.
 
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I'd much rather see you choose a time-tested program.
If Muscle > Strength is your goal, then I'd suggest the Starting Strength novice program followed by Martin Berkhan's Reverse Pyramid Training.
If Strength > Muscle is your goal then I'd suggest Even Easier Strength by Dan John & Pavel followed by the 40 Day Workout...Again (the 1-2-3, 1-2-3 version) by Dan John & Pat Flynn, Pavel mentions this method in Beyond Bodybuilding and called it PttP/Ladder Hybrid, he also recently mentioned on the Joe Rogan Podcast that Step-Loading ie staying at a moderate weight until it feels easy then taking a large jump, is generally better for beginners.

You could of cause mix these up and have the entire year planned, for example Starting Strength, Even Easier Strength, Reverse Pyramid Training and The 40 Day Workout Again...

Starting Strength Training Programs
The Reverse Pyramid Training Guide | Leangains
Even Easier Strength
The Forty Day Workout...Again
 
So there's a full barbell, weight set, and rack available in the gym? That looks workable, and is a good basic combination of exercises that hits everything and complement each other.

But exercise selection is only one "leg of the stool", so to speak. What sort of program are you following for weight selection and progression?

And other than general fitness, what are your goals?

Do you feel that your technique is good on the selected exercises?



I think it's generally OK to feel a bit fatigued going into accessory exercises exercises specifically for the upper back.



Bracing your core for squat, deadlift, and the others does work the core pretty well when you're adequately loaded and doing it with good technique.


Dear Anna,

Thank you for a detailed response, including the notes on upper back and core.

The gym has full sized Barbells, weight rack, a multi gym including leg press, a 3D Smith and Dumbbells up to 25kg. It does not have tools for heavy farmer's carry.

GPP is my main goal. If I have to pick two key words, I would pick metabolism and mobility.

I am comfortable with the lifts, but the loads are perhaps too light to access technique. Currently I can do half bodyweight for clean, squat and press, and body weight for DL. Keep the workouts below 40 minutes, and 3-4 sets of 5-6 reps (DL 2-3 reps).
 
I like it.

I would:

A:
3-5x3-5
Squat
Bench
Deadlift

B:
3x8 (probably as a complex)
Row
Clean
Press
Front Squat

The B day, if done as a complex, would be very quick. You could then easily add some planks, loaded carries etc. Or just blitz it and get on with life.

Thank you. I have done the B earlier (10 years ago). It will take some time to handle that intensity. Unsure if I would enjoy Squat and DL on the same day. Will try nonetheless.
 
I'd much rather see you choose a time-tested program.
If Muscle > Strength is your goal, then I'd suggest the Starting Strength novice program followed by Martin Berkhan's Reverse Pyramid Training.
If Strength > Muscle is your goal then I'd suggest Even Easier Strength by Dan John & Pavel followed by the 40 Day Workout...Again (the 1-2-3, 1-2-3 version) by Dan John & Pat Flynn, Pavel mentions this method in Beyond Bodybuilding and called it PttP/Ladder Hybrid, he also recently mentioned on the Joe Rogan Podcast that Step-Loading ie staying at a moderate weight until it feels easy then taking a large jump, is generally better for beginners.

You could of cause mix these up and have the entire year planned, for example Starting Strength, Even Easier Strength, Reverse Pyramid Training and The 40 Day Workout Again...

Starting Strength Training Programs
The Reverse Pyramid Training Guide | Leangains
Even Easier Strength
The Forty Day Workout...Again

Thank you for the references, I need to read them.
 
I would swap the days you do Push Press and Bench. The bar is already in the rack or you can Clean, and your working on you front rack that day.

Row on Deadlift day because the bar is already set up. Just strip weight and do your sets

I like training economy. I don’t like to spent to much time setting up and cleaning up.

Day A

Clean, Push Press, Front Squat, Pull Down
* doing some lighter Front Squat first may help your Clean, many technical programs have FSQT before C.
*rollouts, plank(pushup) or similar for torso

Day B

Bench, Deadlift, Row, Lunges
* or lunges first, I like to Goblet Squat before Bench to warmup and cue the hips for leg drive
* Leg Raises, Pull Down Abs, or similar for torso

Very nice set of suggestions, will try. I was trying to keep one explosive movement a day, appreciate the point related to economy.
 
Well, after the hinge, press and squat, I already feel tired for the upper back exercise. Also, there is no direct core exercise. This is the direction where I could do with further thoughts or suggestions. Thanks.

Partha, being tired is OK, your body is adapting. And for core, do some hanging leg raises after any session with squats or deads, the traction will make your back feel better.
 
GPP is my main goal. If I have to pick two key words, I would pick metabolism and mobility.

I am comfortable with the lifts, but the loads are perhaps too light to access technique. Currently I can do half bodyweight for clean, squat and press, and body weight for DL. Keep the workouts below 40 minutes, and 3-4 sets of 5-6 reps (DL 2-3 reps).

"Half bodyweight for clean, squat and press, and body weight for DL" is a decent start, but you have much more strength available to you. My suggestion would be to train specifically for it. Out of strength comes GPP, and I would say even your stated key words of metabolism and mobility, if by "mobility" you mean good and useful movement patterns and ranges of motion.

I would second @CraigW 's suggestion to do an established program. Smarter minds than us have worked out the combinations that are most effective!

I think you will be pleasantly surprised what opens up to you when you significantly increase your strength.
 
I like @Ryan W ’s setup, I would just save the heavier lower body lifts after the two upper body moves. When doing full body training, which I think for the vast majority looking to improve strength/athletic or physique goals, reigns superior to split training. The body develops evenly, no body part gets neglected and muscles are trained to perform as they do in reality. Integrated, not isolated.

CW starts every workout with the upper body pull. They generally warm the shoulders for pressing movements and require less warmup as they’re the least traumatic to the body, as I’ve found. Alas, squats and dead’s require longer warmup, for me anyways, and training them after the upper work, I find I’m all ready pretty warmed up that I can jump to heavier sets first. An overhead press will get your core and shoulders working before a squat without extra fatigue of the agonists of a squat and after heavy squats or dead’s, I’ve found pressing overhead to not be ideal, due to the already heavy workload on the spine. While it is indeed important to include both hinges and squats, I think one a day as a main heavy lift is enough. You have power cleans and deadlifts 3 days a week...This will get difficult unless you manage intensity wisely. A good thing to do to avoid burnout, is just use one hinge or squat per day and utilize the other in your warmup I.e doing swings before squat day, and renegade lunges or goblet squats on your deadlift day. Such will add extra recovery workout and motor patterning with light load, almost a small unloading recharge session. Rotate your planes for the upper body and your set. For my money, I’d do this.

A
Row
Bench
Squat

B
Chin-up
Press
Deadlift

Also, as @Anna C said, exercise selection is important but programming your sets/reps and intensity are also vital.

Strength is the foundation of all qualities. Mobility is useless without it. There’s no point in being able to touch your toes if you can’t stand back up. One can develop excellent mobility via loaded exercises that take the body through a full ROM. People may point at Powerlifters and how their mobility may be poor, but remember Powerlifters are trying to lift through the shortest ROM possible! And then there’s body comp, which a larger frame of mass assists success in their sport. Extra mobility can even be detrimental to a power lifter as it would relieve them of precious tension through that short ROM they seek.

As far as metabolic impact, full body compound movements are the way to go as they require more neural output then isolation exercise. However, what you do outside the gym is just as important here.
 
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Good advice above I would just add that there can be a world of difference between 2x and 3x weekly in terms of viable training intensity and recovery for full body workouts. I would keep an eye on that and if you're struggling with 3x then either reduce to 2x (or my favourite is workout every three days) or maintain 3x but move to a split program
 
One further reflection, what we're discussing here is very similar to the Tactical Barbell approach.

Their basic exercise cluster is 3-5x3-5 of squat, bench press, and pull up. Deadlift is lower volume, with a couple options.

Done twice a week they call it "Fighter Template" three times a week is "Operator."

Inventing things is fun, but sometimes off the shelf works just fine.
 
One further reflection, what we're discussing here is very similar to the Tactical Barbell approach.

Their basic exercise cluster is 3-5x3-5 of squat, bench press, and pull up. Deadlift is lower volume, with a couple options.

Done twice a week they call it "Fighter Template" three times a week is "Operator."

Inventing things is fun, but sometimes off the shelf works just fine.

Would not reinvent if smarter minds have given a framework. This is new information for me, thanks.
 
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