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the hansenator

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Pavel,

In the blog post "A Word on Rows", I was left hanging by the last line which stated:
 But do not rush to implement any of the above until you read an upcoming issue of this blog that picks up where this one left off…
Is it still coming?
 
As have I, in the hopes that the face pull (either band or cable, knowing that neither implement has much "pull" in these parts, so to speak) would get a brief mention, either pro or con.

If, as the blog post indicates, the goal of a corrective pull is to counteract the hollow position and practice shoulder blade pinching to encourage linkage, this powerlifter fave strikes me as being a movement that potentially belongs in the discussion. It's definitely a shoulder-blade pincher when performed properly, particularly with an elastic band.

However, the highlighted horizontal pulls in "A Word on Rows" and elsewhere in Pavel's work all seem to focus the action at or below the armpits: batwing, machine, tug-of-war. Just wondering where high horizontal row fits in the spectrum. Perhaps the overt rotational component detracts from its effectiveness? Or is it just the implements that cut it out of the conversation?

Many thanks.
 
Food for thought, ladies and gents: a number of Russian specialists, scientists and coaches, when planning wrestlers' strength training divide the upper body into three: flexors, extensors, and obliques.  No talk about "horizontal" or "vertical"—but real attention to the midsection.
 
The part I'm stuggling to get past is the specificity thing. Does a big military press give you a big bench press and do heavy rows improve your pullups? Don't those movements all need their own training if you want to improve on them?
 
Chris Hansen, I think you are right about this specific  training. Here is an interesting critical article about transferring kettlebell skills to other exercises http://breakingmuscle.com/kettlebells/does-kettlebell-training-benefit-other-exercises
 
Chris, if you train correctly, you will have plenty of carryover.  By definition, good general strength exercises do.
 
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