Although I have read basically all the other books, I just bought PTTP in kindle. It was not available before. Do people actually do the sidepress with the barbell as in the PTTP original book or is it considered dated and something better for intermediate lifters? I rarely see it mentioned, although people do talk about the KB bent press around here. It would seem that the KB press would be the way to start. The barbell side press strikes me as difficult lift to start with. If the thinking has changed, what do you think an average male's KB press 1rm and rm should be before moving on to the side barbell press. I am interested in forearm and grip strength so the barbell work appeals. Also, since I don't need a full olympic bar, I have easier access to to doing this at home. My only concern is the collars, having the plates slide off would be even worse than a bench press fail.