Barbell Squats with PTTP

[Gary Logue]

Something that has been discussed a few times on here in the past but, I can’t seem to find a definitive solution.
I found this post from the DD forum, were Pavel had allegedly advised backing off to 4 days and, alternating the DL and Squat days.

Squat with PTTP?

Comrades, I have been training for about half a year, and stumbled upon Power to the People! about a month ago. I was hooked, and began following the program immediately. I have got some very good strength gains in both Bench Press and Deadlift, but I would like to ask if it is possible to add...

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Has anyone ran squats alongside a press variant and deadlift? If so, what were your results and how was your recovery during training?

 

[Bauer]

Something that has been discussed a few times on here in the past but, I can’t seem to find a definitive solution.
I found this post from the DD forum, were Pavel had allegedly advised backing off to 4 days and, alternating the DL and Squat days.

Squat with PTTP?

Comrades, I have been training for about half a year, and stumbled upon Power to the People! about a month ago. I was hooked, and began following the program immediately. I have got some very good strength gains in both Bench Press and Deadlift, but I would like to ask if it is possible to add...

kbforum.dragondoor.com

Has anyone ran squats alongside a press variant and deadlift? If so, what were your results and how was your recovery during training?

@Harald Motz did Zercher Squats and OHP alongside A+A work for an extended period, IIRC, Easy Strength / Even Easier Strength style, with occasional DLs. You might find some valuable info on his insta channel if you go back 1-2 years.

 

[Bauer]

Something that has been discussed a few times on here in the past but, I can’t seem to find a definitive solution.
I found this post from the DD forum, were Pavel had allegedly advised backing off to 4 days and, alternating the DL and Squat days.

Squat with PTTP?

Comrades, I have been training for about half a year, and stumbled upon Power to the People! about a month ago. I was hooked, and began following the program immediately. I have got some very good strength gains in both Bench Press and Deadlift, but I would like to ask if it is possible to add...

kbforum.dragondoor.com

Has anyone ran squats alongside a press variant and deadlift? If so, what were your results and how was your recovery during training?

Thanks for the find. Btw, here is Pavel's original answer (which doesn't include any additional info...)

Com.shmathews, SQ 2/week, DL 2/week, and BP 4/week. Power to you!

Adding Squats to PTTP?

I just finished a PTTP cycle with deadlifts and kb military presses. I am taking a two week break (Program minimum), and then starting another 6 week PTTP cycle. I have decided to substitute bench presses for the military presses for this six weeks. Is there any reason not to add squats as...

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[Gary Logue]

Thanks for the find. Btw, here is Pavel's original answer (which doesn't include any additional info...)

Adding Squats to PTTP?

I just finished a PTTP cycle with deadlifts and kb military presses. I am taking a two week break (Program minimum), and then starting another 6 week PTTP cycle. I have decided to substitute bench presses for the military presses for this six weeks. Is there any reason not to add squats as...

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Likewise.

This is another I stumbled on during my search, some crazy deadlift results from the PTTP programme, app 60kg increase in 1RM in 3 months.

3 months PttP is over and the results are...

As I´ve told before i had to abandon the press because of bad shoulder. So just been doing normal deadlifts, no belt or straps just some lifting chalk. Lifting monday-friday. So here it is : session nr 1: 124kg*4 reps, second set 112kg *4 reps. session nr 60: 181kg*4 reps...

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[flightposite]

I have squatted and pressed using PTTP and always enjoyed it. But I typically haven’t added DL’s unless they where performed in more of a RDL lighter weight accessory fashion.

 

[watchnerd]

Has anyone ran squats alongside a press variant and deadlift? If so, what were your results and how was your recovery during training?

I run presses, squats, and pulls (whether clean DLs, snatch DLs, or some other variant) as the bread and butter basis of my foundational strength training for about 6 months out of the year.

I don't use PTTP programming, but, yes all 3 can peacefully co-exist.

 

[BJJ Shawn]

Likewise.

This is another I stumbled on during my search, some crazy deadlift results from the PTTP programme, app 60kg increase in 1RM in 3 months.

3 months PttP is over and the results are...

As I´ve told before i had to abandon the press because of bad shoulder. So just been doing normal deadlifts, no belt or straps just some lifting chalk. Lifting monday-friday. So here it is : session nr 1: 124kg*4 reps, second set 112kg *4 reps. session nr 60: 181kg*4 reps...

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It’s not really a 60kg increase in max, the first one is the start of the cycle which is supposed to be 8-16 practices lighter than your max to give you room to ramp up before starting a new cycle. He probably added 30 kg to his lift, which is still good but more realistic.

 

[Hobbes]

To reply to the original question - I was thinking of this while I’ve been doing my two-week cycles alternating PTTP with S&S. as a former competitive power lifter I’d seriously consider doing 2 week blocs of 5-3-2 reps as per the PTTP 2.0 program and wave load.

In season or about 16 weeks out looks like this

Bloc A is squats and bench press. As per PTTP I’d start at 65% of my 1rm and lift every weekday, adding 2% for 3 days and then backing off 4%.

Bloc B is deadlifts done identically to above and side press. I wouldn’t worry about a fixed progression on the side press.

I’d warmup both blocs with the S&S warmup and seriously push the goblet squat.

A hypothetical 500 lb squatter at the start would be doing 5-3-2 with 445 lbs 2 weeks prior to the competition - assuming no hiccups or plateaus. When I competed I knew if I could do 5 at that I’m good for about 535 to 550 for my second attempt.

I’d do light bench presses rather than the side press during the last cycle - working down from my last peak rather than up. I’d do the same the last 6 days of my dl - dropping back down to 65-70% of my starting 1rm.

In the off-season I’d do 2-week blocs with variations of the classic lifts addressing my weak points and alternate with 2 week blocs of S&S to address conditioning.

I’ve used Sheiko programs extensively and as a master lifter who lifted in a non-lifter gym I think this would have worked for me. In particular since I didn’t use really tight gear (nobody to pull it on in training).

 

[Hobbes]

I should mention - an experienced lifter is not adding 10% to their lifts in one cycle. You would have to back off, as per PTTP, when you can’t get 5 reps and build up again. Personally I would have added 2 week blocs at strategic times of:

Low pause squats or 1/2 squats for the squat
Pause narrow grip benches or 2-3 board presses for the bench
Deadlift standing on 2-3” riser or from 2” below the knees for the deadlift.

Approximately 1 two week cycle out of 5 would be these exercises - which are inspired by Boris Sheiko and Louie Simmons - two great PL coaches.