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Tactical Barbell to Kettlebells

KBwarrior1988

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Hi guys and girls after a little advice

So I’ve been using tactical barbell for around 8 months and I’ve loved it, I previously used a linear progression before hand. I’m after a new adventure, away from barbells for a while and investing some money on some very minimalistic equipment.

I only really care greatly about the press (OHP/MP), Pull Ups & Deadlifts, although I have alternated clusters in the past

My 5 rep maximums currently @ 82.5kg BW
OHP 65kg x 5 reps
WPU BW + 25kg for 5 reps
Conventional Deadlift 175kg for 5 reps

Zercher Squats 120kg for 3 reps
DB Bench 42kg each for 4 reps**

** chosen this rather then BB Bench cause either my form sucks or my shoulders do

Anyway: I’ve been looking around here for a while and a few programs I like the look of but torn on direction including ROP, best ever workout, simple & sinister and Q&D but some of them lack certain movements I believe

Can someone recommend a book/plan to look towards and also a selection of kettlebell weights that I should probably be looking at investing in

Thank you guys and girls

All the best
 
Hi guys and girls after a little advice

So I’ve been using tactical barbell for around 8 months and I’ve loved it, I previously used a linear progression before hand. I’m after a new adventure, away from barbells for a while and investing some money on some very minimalistic equipment.

I only really care greatly about the press (OHP/MP), Pull Ups & Deadlifts, although I have alternated clusters in the past

My 5 rep maximums currently @ 82.5kg BW
OHP 65kg x 5 reps
WPU BW + 25kg for 5 reps
Conventional Deadlift 175kg for 5 reps

Zercher Squats 120kg for 3 reps
DB Bench 42kg each for 4 reps**

** chosen this rather then BB Bench cause either my form sucks or my shoulders do

Anyway: I’ve been looking around here for a while and a few programs I like the look of but torn on direction including ROP, best ever workout, simple & sinister and Q&D but some of them lack certain movements I believe

Can someone recommend a book/plan to look towards and also a selection of kettlebell weights that I should probably be looking at investing in

Thank you guys and girls

All the best
I should of mentioned, ideally these will either be 2 or 3 day plans that I can look at increasing my running and cycling during the summer months as my 5K time in recent months has started going north of 21 minutes when I had it previously sat around 18:30-19:00 minutes
 
Anyway: I’ve been looking around here for a while and a few programs I like the look of but torn on direction including ROP, best ever workout, simple & sinister and Q&D but some of them lack certain movements I believe

Can someone recommend a book/plan to look towards and also a selection of kettlebell weights that I should probably be looking at investing
As far as Kettlebell weights, I would recommend the classic 16kg, 24kg, and 32kg.
 
You can use Operator with kettlebells, just your weight selection won’t be as precise.

IMO swings aren’t a great substitute for dead’s if strength is what you are after. They will help a bit for a while though.

I've done operator with double clean and press, pullups, and squats. If you are limiting yourself to kettlebells, I would probably up the rep ranges a bit to account for the lighter weights on squats.
 
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If you are pretty new to KBs I would recommend the most common theme...Simple and Sinister with at least a 24kg and 32kg. Where you feel there are gaps fill them in intelligently. There are no rules only guidelines.

When I ran S&S I added carries, pullups, crawling, and other crazy things like battle ropes and tire strikes. The point is you are free to add to anything but there is always a point of diminishing returns (and I would argue even then there are times that's acceptable for someone).

Quick example off the top of my head..
MWF: S&S/KB Squat
TThS: KB Press/Pullups/Carry

Toss in walking and mobility to round it all off.

That covers all the movement patterns and you can still make progress on S&S. A lot of folks say get to SIMPLE first before adding which is good advice but I made some adjustments for myself and still reached Simple (eventually).

Good luck!
 
I'm not really experienced in recommending programs for increasing run times. That isn't really my focus so I didn't want to just throw a program out there.
Sorry I should have stated the connection of KB weights was on reference to a program that’s suitable to 2-3 days a week that is productive alongside a running program.

The running program is fine and sorted
 
So more General Mass then Operator minus the inclusion of a deadlift day?
You can use Operator with kettlebells, just your weight selection won’t be as precise.

IMO swings aren’t a great substitute for dead’s if strength is what you are after. They will help a bit for a while though.

I've done operator with double clean and press, pullups, and squats. If you are limiting yourself to kettlebells, I would probably up the rep ranges a bit to account for the lighter weights on squats.increase rep
 
Hi guys and girls after a little advice

So I’ve been using tactical barbell for around 8 months and I’ve loved it, I previously used a linear progression before hand. I’m after a new adventure, away from barbells for a while and investing some money on some very minimalistic equipment.

I only really care greatly about the press (OHP/MP), Pull Ups & Deadlifts, although I have alternated clusters in the past

My 5 rep maximums currently @ 82.5kg BW
OHP 65kg x 5 reps
WPU BW + 25kg for 5 reps
Conventional Deadlift 175kg for 5 reps

Zercher Squats 120kg for 3 reps
DB Bench 42kg each for 4 reps**

** chosen this rather then BB Bench cause either my form sucks or my shoulders do

Anyway: I’ve been looking around here for a while and a few programs I like the look of but torn on direction including ROP, best ever workout, simple & sinister and Q&D but some of them lack certain movements I believe

Can someone recommend a book/plan to look towards and also a selection of kettlebell weights that I should probably be looking at investing in

Thank you guys and girls

All the best
Welcome! Kettlebells are a lot of fun, you will enjoy it here.


I would recommend that you pick a goal with kettlebells before starting, so you have direction where to go. Otherwise you might end up doing just variety.

The general recommendation is to do Simple and Sinister until you reach the Simple standard. This way you will learn the movements well. It is generally recommended to do it daily, but if you are running 3 days a week, you could do it 3 times a week too. I'm pretty sure this would improve your running times.

Do you have good technique with kettlebells?
 
Hi guys and girls after a little advice

So I’ve been using tactical barbell for around 8 months and I’ve loved it, I previously used a linear progression before hand. I’m after a new adventure, away from barbells for a while and investing some money on some very minimalistic equipment.

I only really care greatly about the press (OHP/MP), Pull Ups & Deadlifts, although I have alternated clusters in the past

My 5 rep maximums currently @ 82.5kg BW
OHP 65kg x 5 reps
WPU BW + 25kg for 5 reps
Conventional Deadlift 175kg for 5 reps

Zercher Squats 120kg for 3 reps
DB Bench 42kg each for 4 reps**

** chosen this rather then BB Bench cause either my form sucks or my shoulders do

Anyway: I’ve been looking around here for a while and a few programs I like the look of but torn on direction including ROP, best ever workout, simple & sinister and Q&D but some of them lack certain movements I believe

Can someone recommend a book/plan to look towards and also a selection of kettlebell weights that I should probably be looking at investing in

Thank you guys and girls

All the best
It will be very difficult to recommend weights without you having the opportunity to actually use kettlebells. Learning HOW to use a kettlebell is simple, but it is not easy for everyone. Without just trying to pimp coaching, see if you can find an instructor in your area who can give you a session showing you how to do the basics + you'll get to handle some kettlebells and see where you're at.

You will likely be best off using a 16kg or 20kg to learn technique. Once you are semi-competent, you will likely be using a single or double 28kg or 32kg for most of your cleaning, squatting, and pressing exercises. Single or Double 32s might be too much starting out, as you are both learning the technical aspects of the lifts as well as getting used to the relative awkwardness of the kettlebell compared to a barbell. You are likely to be able to use a 24kg for a lot of your snatch work, and for higher-rep cleans and presses.

Singles are going to be the easiest to learn initially as you can practice a "cheat clean" before the press. This not only helps you learn the technique of cleaning, it works NOW so you can still press. I have used it to get clients clean and pressing in about 5 minutes. Take a look at @Louka83 teaching it:



If you are absolutely unable to find a place to handle bells, you can either buy quite a few bells (16 and/or 20 to learn technique, 24 and 28 to train with; double them up if you want doubles) or you can look at buying an adjustable kettlebell. I have adjustable bell from Bells of Steel that goes from 12kg to 32kg and they are pretty good - fairly solid, changing weights isn't that bad, but not exactly convenient. The pro of an adjustable is you can find the right weight for you right now as you learn technique, and not also worry about having one or more $200+ purchase in the future. The con is I think over time they are less durable - bolts get stripped or threads get damaged. If you hit a sale, you can get one for ~$250 or a pair for $500 though, which is a LOT of potential options. Of course, if you have the space and the money to just dive in, you can decide singles or doubles and then start purchasing... the 16-24-32 would be the "basic set," but I find the 20 and 28 to be important "steps" for most people.

IF you can only buy 2, I would suggest a 24kg would be an easy bell to use to learn how to cheat clean and press, and then you'd likely be able to step into the 28kg fairly quickly. You would very likely be able to use 32kg with a bit of practice , as you likely have the strength to use it now for low rep sets, just not the skill. I would save that purchase for later, just know it is coming.

Once you decide if you are going to train with singles, doubles, or both, you can start looking at program options based on your goals. I do NOT think Simple and Sinister sounds like it fits your goals, so would steer you away from that. I would suggest looking at Tim Almond's article; it would be fairly easy to add deadlifts to this. This is largely designed as a single kettlebell program, but it also works for doubles. Again, the good news is this is a 3 day plan, can be made into a 2 day plan fairly easily, and as there is very little lower body work (which makes me sad!) it will minimally effect your run training.

If you do not have or want to use an instructor in your area, a couple great resources are @Geoff Neupert 's Online Courses like the Big 6 (single kettlebell instructional videos) and Strong! (double kettlebell instructional videos) and @Brett Jones Iron Cardio videos. Brett's video is quite possible the simplest and most beginner-friendly introduction into the single kettlebell clean, squat, and press I have found. He has a program e-book as well (same name, separate purchase).
 
If you are pretty new to KBs I would recommend the most common theme...Simple and Sinister with at least a 24kg and 32kg. Where you feel there are gaps fill them in intelligently. There are no rules only guidelines.

When I ran S&S I added carries, pullups, crawling, and other crazy things like battle ropes and tire strikes. The point is you are free to add to anything but there is always a point of diminishing returns (and I would argue even then there are times that's acceptable for someone).

Quick example off the top of my head..
MWF: S&S/KB Squat
TThS: KB Press/Pullups/Carry

Toss in walking and mobility to round it all off.

That covers all the movement patterns and you can still make progress on S&S. A lot of folks say get to SIMPLE first before adding which is good advice but I made some adjustments for myself and still reached Simple (eventually).

Good luck!
I like this recommendation.

If you just care about pressing, then this thread has you covered:

However, based on your input, Built Strong Minimalist might be a good fit for you, at least if ballistics are not as important to you.

Personally, I really like the Kettlebells StrongFirst course which can be combined with strength training.

Edit: @John K s recommendation of Iron Cardio is also spot on.
 
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