@kennycro@@aol.com, I think most of us understood what Dan meant, and I don't think he's trying to rewrite or redefine anything,
Steve,
I realize you've met Dan John. I know you a fan of his, he's a nice guy, smart guy. So, you're swayed to defend his position based on your loyalty to him (admirable), rather than facts.
With that stated, "I don't think" equates to speculation {guessing), meaning you are not sure.
Thus, all we can go by is what they have stated, not what we "Think' someone meant.
Dan wrote,
"Start each day with coffee and a bit of coconut oil, even if it’s during your “fasting” period. This doesn’t break the fast in my opinion."
The technical definition of "Fast" is "An abstinence from food". Coconut is considered a food.
Thus, suggesting being able to consume food during fasting is an oxymoronic statement, a contradictory term.
As per SeanM (post 27), "Strictly defined, yes - eating any calories will break the fasted state."
As per masa (post 28), "If one is consuming calories, it's not fasting anymore."
...but rather saying that the little bit of food he's talking about is OK for him, for helping people achieve the stated goals by the stated means.
What does "Ok for him mean"?
"Insulin is a Fat Maker.,, Jay Robb
Research shows carbohydrates alone trigger the release of insulin.
Also, some amino acids will trigger the release of insulin. maca (post 24) noted that, "There was a study which showed that amino acids will break your fast."
Insulin shuts down, blocks body fat being burned.
Fat ensure a "Relatively low-insulin environment" as SeanM, post 27, correctly noted.
"Glucagon is a Fat Taker." Jay Robb
Glucagon (along with nor-epinephrine, epinephrine, growth hormone, and cortisol) are the counter hormones to insulin.
There is a "See-Saw" effect with Insulin and the Counter Hormones listed above.
Thus, a decrease in insulin means an increase in the "Fat Burning" Counter Hormones.
Fat Consumption and Fasting
Yes, fat consumption maintains a "Relatively low-insulin environment" as SeanM, post 27.
The lower you are able to maintain insulin levels and higher Counter Hormone levels, the more body fat that is utilized for energy, caloric expenditure.
SeanM. post 27, "...Consuming fat keeps the fat-burning state going (body doesn't differentiate between the two". "The two meaning Fat Consumption and Fasting.
While Fat Consumption alone and Fasting have similar effects, they are not defined as the same nor should they every be considered to be exactly the same.
[quote[I really do think most of us got that, and I don't think anyone is trying to redefine anything, certainly not Dan.[/quote]
Guessing what other think amount to assuming, guessing.
Stating that fat consumption equates to fasting equates to providing a new definition to the term, Fasting.
The Facts
To reiterate, a some similar effects is elicited with Fasting and only consuming fat.
However, defining them as being the same and evoking the same response is incorrect.
Take Home Point
1) "Eating any calories will break the fasted state."
2) Ketogenic Diets and Intermittent Fasting promote low blood glucose levels, low insulin production, elevated glucagon production.
As Jay Robb (Nutritionist) stated, "Insulin is a fat Maker. Glucagon is a Fat Taker."
3) The body in some form or fashion differentiate in various ways when something ingested or not ingested.
Practical Experience
As I noted in post 29, I have employed the Ketogenic Diet combined with Intermittent Fasting for close to a year and a half, due to a Metabolic Condition.
I have consumed only fats at times (Medium Chain Triglycerides and/or Coconut Oil). At other times, Fasting (no consumption of Medium Chain Triglycerides and/or Coconut Oil, no food.)
To reiterate, while they do provide a somewhat similar effect, they are not the same.
The Research
I have a plethora of research data on the Ketogenic Diet and Intermittent Fasting.
The research notes similarities but never has defined them as being the same.
Providing Correct Information
This isn't about who's wrong or right. It's about empowering individual with the correct information to know the differences and enable them to make optimal choices.
A Clear Definition in the meaning of a word or term allow us to all be be on the same page at the same time.
Kenny Croxdale