BrianCF
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No. Why would it matter? They're both strength programs. One is done in a density form, the other as a complex. TTR, if done right, can take a long time, especially if you're pushing leg day,.
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No. Why would it matter? They're both strength programs. One is done in a density form, the other as a complex. TTR, if done right, can take a long time, especially if you're pushing leg day,.
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BrianCF
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When you swing the bells between your legs, the irritation rubs up against the clothing which spreads it. Or holding in a rack position, it's in contact.
banzaiengr
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Just some thoughts gentlemen as I looked at this a few months ago. The problem with double KB programs is just that, you can fall into a heck of a rabbit hole buying two of the same bells. Even if you use two different size bells it gets weird in my opinion when you get up above the 24K. A 24 and a 28K bell aren't bad but a 28K and a 32K for me is way off balance. Most likely has to do with your overall total strength so maybe some of you wouldn't have the issue.
My thought was if you have a heavy enough bell to do 1 arm presses with a goblet squat. You can do them R press, squat, L press squat or both presses and then squat, you could also mix this up. If your heaviest bell is a bit light for a 5 rep max in the goblet squat which for many would be the case, then raise the reps to 5,7,9 or whatever you need.
For years the basic strength/size program consisted of press, pull/row, and squats. Just about every KB program seems to always fall short of this. A press and a pull but no squat. Or even in the Dry Fighting Weight a press and a squat but no other pulling than cleaning the bell. Why not use the Dry Fighting Weight as a template and add KB bent over rows to the mix. So 1,2,3 on the press, 3,4,5 BO row, and then 5,7,9 squats? With this type of rotation it would be easy to mix in push ups, pull ups, dips, whatever.
My thought was if you have a heavy enough bell to do 1 arm presses with a goblet squat. You can do them R press, squat, L press squat or both presses and then squat, you could also mix this up. If your heaviest bell is a bit light for a 5 rep max in the goblet squat which for many would be the case, then raise the reps to 5,7,9 or whatever you need.
For years the basic strength/size program consisted of press, pull/row, and squats. Just about every KB program seems to always fall short of this. A press and a pull but no squat. Or even in the Dry Fighting Weight a press and a squat but no other pulling than cleaning the bell. Why not use the Dry Fighting Weight as a template and add KB bent over rows to the mix. So 1,2,3 on the press, 3,4,5 BO row, and then 5,7,9 squats? With this type of rotation it would be easy to mix in push ups, pull ups, dips, whatever.
MarkSch
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Sorry, I don't know what you mean here. I have MKBM--how do you combine complexes and chains in the same cycle?
Is 701a NOT included in Double KB Manisfesto?
Sean M
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I thought this too - they are 3 days/week for a reason and shouldn't be combined (?). Seems like way too much...
Sean M
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701a is in DKBM: Genesis, 701a, 701b (more volume, similar pattern), and KB Elite (more oriented to C&J)
Someone mentioned KB Workout Snacks, which is free. I second the recommendation. I believe plan 803B in there is quite similar to DFW, and only 4 weeks.
BrianCF
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I've had MKM for 4 years. I've found, for myself, that the workouts are short enough, that I can do them 6 days a week. I sincerely doubt, that you can use the same weight that you used with Dry Fighting Weight, with ANY MKM program. Not only is the double snatch limiting, the rep scheme per set is more likely higher.
With a lighter weight, say, 20's or 16's, you'll find it hard, you can recover quicker than you think.
If you're doing the Long Haul, or the A & P, yes, take the rest days. However, if you're running the shoulder smoker, which in the first week takes about 7 minutes for the whole workout, or sir snatch a lot, you'll find you can run 2 programs.
MKM is more fat burning than KM which is more muscle building. I also know Geoff, kind of moved toward short and sweet 15-30 minute workouts 6 days a week. See Kettlebell Burn Extreme.
Everyone is different and I love this discussion
DSN - double snatch?
YDKS2.0 - no clue, but sounds like the name of a program. Maybe "K" is for Kettlebell.
MKM - More Kettlebell Muscle, the name of a program?
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MarkSch
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I have purchased Double Kettlebell Manifesto, and have a few questions for Strength Pan 701a.
Are the exercises to be run as a complex--eg, do all reps for each exercise in order, without putting down the bell, then resting to recommended time?
Chains seem to be indicated by exercise +exercise -- is this correct?
Any suggestions on bell size selection? Did you find that your snatch and regular bells differed in size?
Thanks in advance.
Are the exercises to be run as a complex--eg, do all reps for each exercise in order, without putting down the bell, then resting to recommended time?
Chains seem to be indicated by exercise +exercise -- is this correct?
Any suggestions on bell size selection? Did you find that your snatch and regular bells differed in size?
Thanks in advance.
Sean M
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Nice! Yes, complexes (bells up until all exercises done). Bell size I believe is 10-12RM for the press, but some days call for 6-8RM.
MC88
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Hi guys,
Apologies in advance if this has been answered or, more likely, if I'm just splitting hairs/concerning myself with minutia here.
When Geoff says don't let it become a metcon, is there a ballpark figure for what your heart rate should be or any other kind of "test" to verify when you're ready to go? I know a lot of it is down to intuition/experience or whatever you want to call it but I'm just curious.
For context, I just completed week 1 with a pair of 24s.
On day 1, I got 5 ladders (1, 2, 3) for a total of 30 reps. This was probably the hardest day (more so due to a couple of bottles of beer the night before, I think).
On day 2, I got 26 singles.
On day 3, I got 17 sets of 2 for a total of 30 reps.
Every day felt pretty good and I would also say it got easier with every day. Day 1 was the toughest; I tried to leave a LOT in the tank on day 2, and I felt great on day 3 so I pushed it a bit more while still trying to leave some in the tank. I would confidently say that there wasn't a single grinder on any of the days, but I'm just wondering what a realistic goal would be while staying within the half hour and not venturing towards metcon (hence my question).
FYI I completed my squats immediately after my C&P just for ease of counting. They always felt easy throughout.
Thanks in advance.
Apologies in advance if this has been answered or, more likely, if I'm just splitting hairs/concerning myself with minutia here.
When Geoff says don't let it become a metcon, is there a ballpark figure for what your heart rate should be or any other kind of "test" to verify when you're ready to go? I know a lot of it is down to intuition/experience or whatever you want to call it but I'm just curious.
For context, I just completed week 1 with a pair of 24s.
On day 1, I got 5 ladders (1, 2, 3) for a total of 30 reps. This was probably the hardest day (more so due to a couple of bottles of beer the night before, I think).
On day 2, I got 26 singles.
On day 3, I got 17 sets of 2 for a total of 30 reps.
Every day felt pretty good and I would also say it got easier with every day. Day 1 was the toughest; I tried to leave a LOT in the tank on day 2, and I felt great on day 3 so I pushed it a bit more while still trying to leave some in the tank. I would confidently say that there wasn't a single grinder on any of the days, but I'm just wondering what a realistic goal would be while staying within the half hour and not venturing towards metcon (hence my question).
FYI I completed my squats immediately after my C&P just for ease of counting. They always felt easy throughout.
Thanks in advance.
Mirek
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