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Kettlebell Clean and Press versus Turkish Get Up
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Kozushi
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I'm a teacher and I don't look down on any question - all are good and lead to discovery.and I've got another one quote for you from my article
"as a student I was lost because I tried to be a coach, as a coach I was lost because I was not being a student."
Kozushi
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I think I'm going to risk overtraining a bit and go back to doing one ROP cycle before S&S every day. After it doesn't work because the muscles are blown from the swings and getups, but before S&S doesn't seem to bother me, although I certainly feel a bit more "used" when I get to the getups than if I don't do the C&Ps beforehand.
Kozushi
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No, I'm not doing "ROP" itself. I'm stealing one cycle from it so:
Clean and Press with the 32kg bell:
1 time
2 times
3 times
so, total of 6 times, each hand.
Then, pullups:
1 time
2 times
3 times
so, total of 6 pullups.
When I get better at it I'll do ladders of 4.
It's just one cycle and my body has no problem handling it.
Then, I do the full S&S programme with the 32.
Kozushi
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My goal is 48 eventually. I've stagnated completely at 32 for presses and for one handed swings. I'm upset by that. I weigh 98 kg, so you can see why I'm embarrassed.
I don't do weighted PUs. It's really an "add-on" exercise for me.
Kozushi
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What is this Easy Strength approach?
Do you have a copy of the book?
Look up Dan John's even easier strength and the 40 day program articles as well
Kozushi
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Ah, it's a book. I see. I don't have it.
Dave Johnson
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Thanks to Mark for mentioning this.
There's a great book called "Easy Strength" by Dan John and Pavel.
There's a blog post called "Even Easier Strength" on Dan's website.
Following is the link to Even Easier Strength
The blog post lays out much of the 40 Day Workout. Interesting is that the 40 day workout was a challenge to Dan from Pavel. There also is a link in the first sentence of the blog post that will lead you to more.
Kozushi
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I did two ladders to 3 of C&P both arms with the 32 today before my S&S with the 40. This means I did a total of 12 presses per arm first. It was a nice warmup in addition to a strength builder, I figure. If I can maintain this, this will be my daily routine for a while.
Something I thought about today while doing both exercises is that the TGU is way more of a cardio exercise than the C&P.
Something I thought about today while doing both exercises is that the TGU is way more of a cardio exercise than the C&P.
JeffC
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@Dave Johnson Knowing nothing about easy strength I wrote it off based on the name alone. There is nothing easy about strength. Reading that article changed my mind. I strength train very similarly with my warmup and exercise selection, but with more volume and intensity. Now I know where easy comes from. I am convinced. I will be following this exact workout in the near future. I will have to study the book.
Thank you for posting the link. I am looking for easier training methods. Right now I am doing S&S and PTTP with good progress.
Thank you for posting the link. I am looking for easier training methods. Right now I am doing S&S and PTTP with good progress.
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berny
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Why not do the RoP routine with heavy TGUs on the variety days? There is no reason to limit yourself to only one exercise if there are plenty of proven methods that allow you to do both. You are well past "Simple" and the RoP looks like the natural next step if you have no interest to stick with the minimalistic format of S&S.
pet'
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Hello,
@berny
Besides, if we only consider GU (and no S&S), it is not a explosive move, contrary to the Clean. Shoulder ROM is different between a press and a GU. ROP is basically a pull and press program. S&S is not.
Thus, they are complementary program. You can do cycles to reap benefits of both of them.
Kind regards,
Pet'
@berny
In itself, ROP is pretty challenging (CP + pull ups). Then, if you want to combine with S&S, you are more or less "obliged" to reduce weight for one of the two programs, due to recovery issues.
Besides, if we only consider GU (and no S&S), it is not a explosive move, contrary to the Clean. Shoulder ROM is different between a press and a GU. ROP is basically a pull and press program. S&S is not.
Thus, they are complementary program. You can do cycles to reap benefits of both of them.
Kind regards,
Pet'
berny
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Wait a minute: I did not say combine RoP with S&S. I said do the TGU's on the 2 variety days that are part of RoP. Because that is actually an option from the book ETK:
I don't understand what you are trying to say? If this is related to my post could you explain what you mean? Sorry
Kettlebelephant
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I don't see the problem here...
Do RoP and add TGUs to the variety days (like mentioned in Pavel's Special Reports for EtK) or in your warmup - or do S&S and do some C&Ps in your warmup.
Spices vs. Main Dishes: How to Program a Proper Training Menu
Switch up your main dishes: e.g. 3 months of S&S with C&Ps in your warmup -> then 3 months of RoP with TGUs in your warmup -> then S&S again .....
That way you don't have to choose between them and you can do them all year round.
Do RoP and add TGUs to the variety days (like mentioned in Pavel's Special Reports for EtK) or in your warmup - or do S&S and do some C&Ps in your warmup.
Spices vs. Main Dishes: How to Program a Proper Training Menu
Switch up your main dishes: e.g. 3 months of S&S with C&Ps in your warmup -> then 3 months of RoP with TGUs in your warmup -> then S&S again .....
That way you don't have to choose between them and you can do them all year round.
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