10000 swings in 10 days.

Discussion in 'Kettlebell' started by knockdownfighter1, Feb 11, 2019 at 8:25 PM.

  1. knockdownfighter1

    knockdownfighter1 Still New to StrongFirst Forum

    Hi everyone,

    As probably most of you, I'm one of those people that always has to have a challenge and a goal to strive for. Last year I had a Knockdown karate tournament cancelled (after about 12 weeks of camp). I decided to give this a go and was wondering if anyone else had completed it as well and was willing to share what results they had.

    Ten Thousand Swings to Fat Loss | T Nation

    I found that after the 3rd day I was just in total agony. By the 5th day my body was adapting, by the 7th day I was able to do the 1000 reps comfortably (broken into sets of course).
     
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  2. North

    North Double-Digit Post Count

    Definitely a feat. But, no thank you.
     
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  3. watchnerd

    watchnerd Triple-Digit Post Count

    How much time does it take you to do 1000 swings a day?

    And what's your bodyweight vs the KB weight?
     
  4. watchnerd

    watchnerd Triple-Digit Post Count

    Reading the article linked:

    "Waking heart rate was elevated in a similar pattern."

    That's not usually considered a good thing.

    Body composition:

    Abby, Corina, and Mitch lost fat.

    Angela and James gained fat.

    It's a small sample size, but that's a pretty mixed result.

    "James didn't see noticeable changes in body composition, although his performance level on swings and ability to buffer lactate improved remarkably."

    No change in body comp, definite changes in conditioning....but conditioning isn't permanent and will gradually fade to being de-conditioned (for that volume of work) once the stimulus is gone.

    I guess, other than a bucket list item, what's the point of going through this?
     
  5. BrianCF

    BrianCF Triple-Digit Post Count

    I've done it a couple of times. It works, really really well. You do gain some muscle. At most it's 75 minutes to do the workout. I found it was the hot spots on my hands the first 3-4 days then the skin toughens up.

    It is amazing how quickly the body adapts to high volume swings. Sets of 50 with a 25kg bell were not a challenge by the end. Lightest weight I used was a 25kg, Heaviest a 40kg.

    An excellent shock cycle to do before going on vacation. You are also hungry all the time, so don't expect to lose 5-6 lb. in 10 days.

    Just need to make sure your swing form is locked in.
     
  6. Shawn90

    Shawn90 More than 500 posts

    Did i read correctly.in the article results that 2 out of 5 actually gained fat ?
     
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  7. Mirek

    Mirek Quadruple-Digit Post Count

    Yeah poor James gained half pound of fat and lost five pounds of fat free mass. I guess it's just another expression of the
    old adage that "you can't outsnatch doughnut".
     
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  8. watchnerd

    watchnerd Triple-Digit Post Count

    Or stress hormones / cortisol build up leading to weight gain.
     
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  9. watchnerd

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    At 75 minutes, this is pretty much a cardio activity.

    You definitely can't generate max force for 75 minutes and, style wise, I would assume you have to adapt a more GS-style swing. And even GS folks don't go for 75 minutes.

    Being hungry is also consistent with long cardio.

    The conditioning benefits from the article are also consistent with cardio.

    There is nothing wrong with cardio, but for 75 minutes, for me personally, I'd rather be doing something different than a bazillion swings --- outside riding a bike enjoying the sunshine, hiking up a tough mountain with my family and dog, taking a dancing class, or going rucking.

    But to each his own!
     
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  10. BrianCF

    BrianCF Triple-Digit Post Count

    I'm not saying it took 75 all the time. Usually around an hour. 20 swings on the minute for 50 minutes. You can get some decent force. I wouldn't call it hardstyle, but it's not exactly GS equal.

    I have no intention of doing it again anytime soon. Right now it's too cold/icy to ride a bike, hike up a tough mountain, my dog is 14 and can walk a 1/4 mile at a time.

    I like the 15-25 minute hit hard hard, vs this. But you have to switch it up once in awhile.
     
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  11. WxHerk

    WxHerk More than 300 posts Certified Instructor

    Go for it! Seriously..only 3 days left and, given a normal lifespan, what’s 10 days out of 7, 8, or more decades? I’m anxious to hear about it.
     
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  12. watchnerd

    watchnerd Triple-Digit Post Count

    Luckily, my dog is 8....I find walking uphill in mid-calf snow (so much snow this week) a heck of a good workout and gets my heart rate right in the fat burn zone.

    On the other hand, lifting barbells and kettlebells in my unheated, uninsulated garage is becoming a serious test of willpower....
     
  13. Shawn90

    Shawn90 More than 500 posts

    After 45minutes your workout becomes very catabolic. If ye dont believe it google it you will find studies.

    I read the result table on that blog a few times. 2 out of 5 gained fat. 2 out of 5 were pretty chubby in the first place (have more lose more) only Abby seem to have some decent result based on give statistics.

    Imho if you want a challenge go for it. But youprobably yield better result from the 300 daily swings and a little cutting.back on kcal intake. Without being that greatly tormented.

    My 2 cents
     
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  14. watchnerd

    watchnerd Triple-Digit Post Count

    That was my take away, as well.

    If one wants body recomp, there are better options.
     
  15. knockdownfighter1

    knockdownfighter1 Still New to StrongFirst Forum

    I broke my sets up using ladders (1,20,1). I would do this in the morning before work and after work. I also brought a kettle bell to work and would do 20 swings whenever I could. At the time I was 92kg and was using a 24kg for the entire challenge.


    For me it was more of a mental challenge. To be able to sustain that volume over that much time.
     
  16. Antti

    Antti More than 2500 posts

    But are all styles of training alike when it comes to session length?

    If Pete was a bodybuilder who did nothing but supersets to failure, with just 30 seconds between the supersets. And Sam was a weightlifter who did easy, fast triples and took five minutes of rest between every set. Would you believe both of them would get in an equally catabolic state after 45 minutes?
     
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  17. Shawn90

    Shawn90 More than 500 posts

    How does this compare to doing 1.000 kb swings a day ?
     
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  18. MikeTheBear

    MikeTheBear More than 500 posts

    The two people who "gained fat" were:

    Angela: She gained 0.1% fat but gained just over 1 pound in fat free mass.

    James (one of the authors): He gained 0.5% fat and supposedly lost almost 5 pounds of fat-free mass.

    I don't know what to make of these two results. In the article James mentioned that the DEXA scan counts glycogen that is stored in the muscles as fat-free mass. If your muscle glycogen gets depleted then DEXA interprets this as a "loss" of fat-free mass.

    The other three lost significant amounts of fat in the 10 days.

    Overall this was a very interesting experiment. I think it's difficult enough to get to 500 swings. Can't imagine what it would be like to get to 1,000.
     
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